South Korea students gain weight 'to dodge military service' - Sensationalist Headlines

I think most people in this thread recognize this as something a state in that scenario has to do but still not like it. If an out of control fire started in my house it would burn it down, that doesn't mean I like that.

The draft might generate a different response if it was used in the context of a sworn enemy threatening to invade the mainland US with a military several times larger. Some people opposed the use of the draft with Vietnam on principle, but many opposed its use specifically in the context of an unpopular war of uncertain necessity and while the volunteer military seemed more than capable of holding its own (draftees were barely a quarter of all military personnel during the Vietnam War). You can't retroactively train civilians into an effective fighting force after an invasion has already begun. You prepare in peacetime or you don't prepare at all. And if you want the ideal outcome of no invasions, the best way to do that is to present a sufficiently credible deterrence that a peaceful solution is preferable over the cost of invasion. That's been Switzerland's MO for a hundred years and it's worked out pretty well for them.

Well we live on a tiny island nation with a population many folds smaller than our neighbours, a volunteer or professional force is never going to be able to big enough to defend here adequately at all. Not with the education attitude we have here.

Do you really understand people who don't find it important to defend their home and their way of life? Makes you as naive as the people you are talking about.

i understand that that there are people who might feel that way. i don't agree with it but i recognize such beliefs exist and people have a right to that belief regardless of my opinion.

i disagree tbh. not saying i'm a warmonger but young people need a good work experience to challenge them. army doesnt just shoot people, they do service in many ways.

You could just as easily say you support mandatory 711 service, or police/firefighting service. There's no good reason to have everyone compulsively join the army

dude it may be shit but thats reality. lebanon is a shithole but i knew a security dude who served and said if he didnt he'd probably be dead due to lack of skill or confidence.

Sounds like bullshit. Anything to back this up?

why does it sound like bullshit, it's common knowledge that young people at 16 have lack of worthy work experience. lack of experience = no job = unemployment

Or maybe they lack work experience because they can't find a job and are unemployed? What the hell kind of work experience should you have at 16 aside from bagging groceries and mowing lawns? Is such a "lack of experience" even on the rise in the first place? Can you demonstrate that?

didn't find things about worldwide but it is true in america. Volunteer firefighter shortage hits rural departments hardest | .. googling "firefighter shortage" brings up a ton of articles from many different local stations and papers all talking about a lack of volunteer firefighters 911 dispatchers in the US are also in short supply LE agencies struggle to find dispatchers new police recruits are down, as well https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/1881-police-shortage now granted i would not be surprised if many of these were due to lack of proper pay for the danger involved, but at the least in the US there are less people going into these kinds of jobs. i can't be bothered fighting google's algorithms to find articles for other countries.

which shop hires people to "bag groceries", and here people do their own mowing. and your first point makes no sense.

Not relevant to what I said. AK'z is referring to a general unemployment crisis, he didn't mention emergency responders. Again, what period of time are you referring to when children younger than 16 had work experience? The Victorian era, when 12 years old worked at the mines? The "bagging groceries" part is referring to the part-time jobs teenagers typically have. It's the only work experience they ever get because school is mandatory. Are you arguing that we should do away with that? Your whole discourse regarding "16 years old have no work experience so this is why we have unemployment" is just fucking absurd.

New idea: mandatory military service for the fats so they're whipped into shape

are you in total denial or are you this blind to see what is going in the world. young people are not prepared well enough for the world at 16 after school, theyre forced to make decisions straight away for fear of not getting a job or they work in menial ones like you propose "all teenagers normally should work in uninspired jobs". how many 16 year olds do you know who even had a good job or experience? maybe you think people shouldn't be entitled to work meaningful jobs until they're 21. don't tell me I'm absurd when your points are thin as a wafer. unless you want to propose a real solution, I am just showing my support has benefits on a large scale.

What the flying fuck are you saying? Are you drunk at 1pm somehow? You keep asking this question: Which makes no goddamn sense because people aren't on the job market before they're 16. Of fucking course they won't have worked a good job before then because they simply haven't had a job yet! Like what the fuck kind of country are you living in where goddamn kids work full-time jobs, let alone meaningful ones? And then you utterly misconstrue my point by pretending that I'm saying they don't deserve good jobs??? You spew bullshit by claiming that children having no work experience at 16 is the cause of the unemployment crisis (???) and then back it up with nothing. I don't give a shit that you consider your weird-ass opinion to be common sense, give me facts. What even is your point? That kids under 16 should serve military training? That it would be "meaningful work experience"? Look at @Newb he hasn't wasted years of his life, and gained "meaningful experience".

weak strat this is how pros did it back in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfkpCYdeQ-E

dude go spoonfeed your 16 year old who can only bag groceries. military service is useful at a young age, and I didn't say you have to spend years into it, don't put other people's dirt into my view. i ask you a legit question, "how many 16 year olds do you know have had a good work experience" and you cry like a baby instead of arguing genuine points. young people struggle to find jobs, they don't have experience. this is a fact of modern life.

I don't know how it works in the US but over here we have vocational schools for that. It's secondary education, too.

furthermore I didn't say this is the entire cause for unemployment either, and we already have a source posted, I don't need to post one. it is common knowledge.

What's that? I can't hear you over the deafening absence of sources. I think your country's lack of mandatory schooling is showing if you can't handle the basics of providing evidence for one's claim.

schools are crap at providing work experience. that is a fact too.

Again, a baseless claim. You've had a multitude of posters here share their experience in the military and how it was of no benefit to them, if not worse. To suggest that we inflict the same thing on people who haven't even reached adulthood is staggering.

this universal you make is entirely unfounded and military service does not necessitate any acquisition of technical or social skills that would at all be useful in or translatable to civilian life. even had i served less than a year, nothing of value would have been gained from my being there besides maybe figuring out how a rifle works and how dumb some people can get.

Just adding "that is a fact" at the end of a claim does not a source make. Now back up your statements or get lost.

Have you even tried to prove that military experience is useful in any sort of way for most people? Veterans not being able to get civilian jobs is literally a pretty big factor in veteran homelessness & suicide. To many people, they join at 18 without any marketable skills, and they pop out at 22 much the same.

i appreciate for you personally it wasn't of use. maybe you didn't engage with the process, thats not my problem. https://www.ft.com/content/66f6fd18-94b9-11e7-83ab-f4624cccbabe I know people younger than 16 who have had cadet experience, not in a formal way but it was valuable for them.

i literally worked in one of the busiest military airbases in a key technical position, i dont know what "not engaging with the process" exactly consists of in your view because i engaged in the process enough to make me vomit. you attempt to fight anecdotes with anecdotes, when it takes a single anecdote to disprove a universal like the one you're making (military service is good for young people).

You got any source that's not hidden behind a paywall? That we can actually read? Where the hell are the other 2 sources? Way to complain about someone being a twat and proceed to act like a cunt to someone else in the same breath.