Many Ways to Be a Girl, but One Way to Be a Boy: The New Gender Rules - Sensationalist Headlines

You are saying men are victim of women using the word "mansplaining", you are saying people are blaming men for everything. That's saying men are victims of theses things, don't play on words. The Theresa May clip legit looks like she used it as a joke, everyone is laughing. Her jab to dismiss his point is shallow and shitty in general, and she's a trash leader but there's nothing sexist here. This isn't an issue men face today, it's twitter drama.

Especially given that it's possible to be masculine in an incredibly gentle way. If a guy openly cries while liking the color pink while enjoying "chick flicks" and cooking and then goes on to dig through a mountain with a plastic spoon, that guy is still manly as fuck, he just has a gentle side.

People. I do not blame women, just as I do not believe women should blame men for their issues. Women are not responsible for this. People are. Maybe don't massively misrepresent what I've said. Everyone laughing has nothing to do with whether it is okay or not. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Yes, people do blame men for a lot of issues they are not responsible for. Okay, sure. Men are victims of these things. Does acknowledging that people are victims of certain things invalidate my argument? Black people are victims of police brutality, no?

I hate the words masculine and feminine, they're so vague, it's like the zebra thing, are you white with black stripes or black with white stripes.

Some trans people narrowed it down to how the person FEELS they are.

I think that's because we live in a patriarchal society where men have most of the power and are the focus of most media. with great power comes great responsibility and all that.

I do not believe women should blame men for their issues Even when thoses issues are directly caused by men? Everyone laughing has nothing to do with whether it is okay or not. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Her dismissing his speech with a jab isnt ok. Her use of "mansplaining" is nothing. Does acknowledging that people are victims of certain things invalidate my argument? Yes, when you were claiming to not doing that to dismiss what I was saying. Black people are victims of police brutality, no? Are you genuinely bringing this is up right now, like that's a fair comparison.

I would say masculinity and femininity are based on traditional gender roles that were created due to survival necessity as Primitive species(ie. Men hunt, Women take care of babies). In a modern world, they don’t hold much value because we do not need to survive in the same way.

The vast majority of men have shit all power. This is the retarded part of most "patriarchy" theory, most men don't hold any sway on these matters and usually have things imposed on them by those who do. Women also play a role in enforcing masculinity through the shaming of men who don't meet those standards, hell I've seen it first hand, but this is totally overlooked and the feminist community just pretends it doesn't exist.

The issues are not caused by "men". They are caused by people. Collective blame is not just. Neither is okay. This is a semantic argument and has nothing to do with the overall point. Are you capable of understanding how two things can share the same principle without being on the same level of severity?

Most of the people who have power are men. This is very different from "men have most of the power". I am not responsible for the sins of those who look like me.

You have no need to get defensive because I'm not attacking you.

Most people don't have power, not just men. The majority of people in power are men though, same for high management. "Women also play a role in enforcing masculinity through the shaming of men who don't meet those standards" that's maybe true sometimes but it's nothing compared to the pressure toxic men put on other men to act manly. It's less talked about because it has less impact.

No from experience I'd say they put pretty much equal pressure on men to act that way. Seen plenty of women mocking men who're short, skinny, who cry etc. I dunno what you think men do to other men that women don't.

So I actually read the whole article, something they omitted to talk about was how girls actually perceived boy 'strength'. "You should be confident and do well in school and do athletics, but you’re supposed to also be a good sex object at the same time." -quote from girl It was said boys police each other to not act girly but how do the girls respond? Are teens horny morons so the boys act tough in a desperate bid to get laid? Do the boys act aggressive because they think it's their best chance at getting something to wank over or get laid and do girls feel like they should roll over and be a sex object because that's what the kind of guys they want, want?

"Everyone is a dumb idiot child except for me, the exceptionally old and wise one"

Welcome to your average Cigarettes post.

The standard people are being held to is completely arbitraty and not inherently good. At all. The behaviors associated with masculinity are not at all objectively positive, especially when you have feminine guys being seen as somehow failing in a fundamental way, which leads to LGBT bullying and murder.

Really? Women’s effect/pressure on men has less influence than other men? That seems pretty unlikely, I wanna say it’s pretty 50/50. Although i guess no of us really have evidence aside from anecdotal.

Very frequently this mandate to protecting spouses and "wearing the pants" means sliding towards dominating spouses, not that this is in any way relevant to my point though, which is this: What's the point of stressing certain men out into conformity to a certain arbitrary category of behavior when their life goals are not at all related to said behavior? Are they to just play this arbitrary role, decided by absolutely no one, for some vague "society's benefit"? There is a difference between giving people a get-out-of-jail free card for not shouldering responsibility in relationships and the like, and bullying them and seeing them as less than men (frequently identical in connotation to less than human, see the great disdain for cucks) because they decided, in their sheer chutzpah, to transgress some surface-tier arbitrary standard socially enforced upon them and internalized by them - leading to both internal and external suffering, to the benefit of absolutely nobody.

You should have put all the time that you put into writing that post into actually reading mine.

Is it objectively positive to to make fun of other men who prefer Dance, rather than football? Even if they’re extremely complement? Why does competency relate to Masculinity at all? Why can’t Woman bare the financial responsibility and the man bare the caretaking responsibility. Especially if they both enjoy and do it competently? I’m not saying everyone should, but is it objectively positive to take those roles? Calling any man who doesn’t a pussy?

Imagine the people who said the same things 100 years ago. I think you’ll find that we have changed tremendously as a society. So how can you honestly say this as fact. I don’t think anybody believes that there’s no heirarchy to humans at all. Of course some people will just do things better. Clearly these arguments don’t come from a couple “special snowflakes” or else there wouldn’t be as much movement to these claims.

Cigarettes stop we shouldn't be arguing over whether or not gender roles can be harmful in the first place. That part is a no-brainer.

Can you make a single post that isn't a depressing diatribe backed by nothing but implications that everyone but you is naive?

Do you know how many advances we’ve made because of people who went against society? Like come on man I wanna hear some good arguments dude. Let’s talk about the enlightenment era where we began to unravel the world via scientific method. Let’s talk about Christianity itself pulling out the illusion that ‘King’ is synonymous with ‘God’ by telling the population that every man is of value under a higher supernatural power.

This entire argument boils down to the premise that the status quo is the ideal form of society and that challenge and change is inherently negative, as in "if only they would just conform, everyone would be happy." History has repeatedly and emphatically proved this wrong.

Not at all! My implication is that there is no necessary correlation between what norm/meme dominates culture and the well being of a society - the only criteria for the propagation of memes is them being good enough for society to function, not the best! Society, this universal blind blob borne of incalculable social vectors, indeed determines everything - but it is also constituted by these very social vectors it dominates! Ones ruled by the status quo can at the same time change it - and such was the character of all social change in history. Your posts in this thread reek of a surface tier folk understanding of history and psychology, and little to no understanding of the basic findings of sociology, anthropology, and cognitive biology. Don't take it personally, but I think your certainty in equating the current status quo with a universal predetermined character of human social interaction is entirely unfounded and perhaps even dangerous to some social groups currently unjustifiably suffering under the status quo.

Its kind of insulting that half the population seems to be able avoid having half the blame with society. Its near on insulting to think that women, the drivers of modern language, fashion and economy somehow do not have a finger in what kind of men they want. Except we know they do because of a study that got published a few months ago illustrating that women, in fact, prefer that strong and stoic kind of man instead of the sensitive and caring kind. To put it bluntly, they prefer assholes. Women are just as culpable with the situation regarding men as men are responsible to the situation regarding women. Until we actually have that long painful discussion that strips away every positive aspect of men and women and reveals just how insulting they are we will never make progress.

Stoic and strong doesn't have to result in being an asshole. You can be stoic, strong and caring. You can even be sensitive at times. Breaking down the idea that men aren't supposed to cry is important. Women don't prefer assholes, and there's someone out there for everyone with any kind of personality. Except the bad-hygiene personality.