• The world has barely 10 years to get climate change under control
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People here are over-reacting. People need to chill the fuck out and start making politicians disappear! Oh wait...
Yeah sure I do my part too but clearly more needs to be done, I'm not hopeless I just don't expect those that can do the most to actually do what they should, without still trying to make a profit
capitalism is the root cause of resource exploitation and thus climate change. the people in charge keep it this way. only socialism can defeat climate crisis
Yes very good. Let your bloodline die so we can replace you with migrants who don't care about anything or anyone! How ironic is it that this poster is from Sweden?
Even an immigrant would have more common sense than your galaxy brain.
You realize that political beliefs aren't hereditary right
I don't even want to be told this shit anymore because of how powerless I am to make the people doing it stop. Just let me sizzle away or drown and blame the world.
you could bomb the HQ of an oil company
Yes, people should lessen their individual contributions, but quit absolving industry, by far the biggest contributor, of it's own responsibility. You can go on all you want about how industrial emissions can be "traced back" to the consumer, but that doesn't change the fact that the consumer isn't the one who decides how the things they use are made. The corporations are the ones who decide to cut corners and pick the worst production methods for the environment all in the name of maximised profit. A lot of industries could make not insignificant cuts to their emissions without affecting it's supply to consumers, especially power generation and commercial transportation/logistics, but they won't do it because it won't make as much money for them as they get now.
I can understand the U.S should be leading the world in making change from coal power to green power. However in 10 years you're asking for a miracle scenario in which people just stop becoming entrenched in their crappy world view by not watching TV programs and stop listening to people like Alex Jones anymore in a heartbeat. Like a large slice of the country if I recall trusts and admires Donald Trump and all his appointees, believes Democrats are literally spawn of Satan, and that anything not done by democrats is good because democrats are evil. On the flip side progressives in the democratic party are trying to convince Neo-liberals that the solution to our problems is not electing candidates that'll literally do anything (even lying) to get cash from special interests groups like uh... Oil companies and Energy companies that are directly holding us back from switching our method of getting power. I could see maybe 50 years a dramatic shift in politics here that could help us switch to green energy from coal. In 10 years? Nah we've got some major problems that are strangling the country and preventing it from catching up with the rest of the developed nations. An example of such problems being the possibility that our now 100% Republican majority government that may just loosen up enough restrictions to effectively keep their power from fading. All of these problems could technically be solved in 10 years, but the chances of that are very low at the current time that you might even be able to get struck by lightning before the changes even happen. However you can buy some time for the U.S to catch up if you can get the other major players in the game first so that way we could find a way to break out of the mess just in time to make major changes.
Could we refrain from these posts thanks.
call up everyone on this list Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, stud..
They've done fuck all because we are all sitting on our asses, living our daily lives, doing absolutely fuck all to protest and demand change towards a more ecological, less short-sighted lifestyle. We're the ones doing fuck all. The world as we know it will be gone in less than a hundred years and barely anybody is stepping out of their routine to talk to their local politicians or spark protests. Yes, the mega-corporations are the ones responsible for more than half of global CO2 pollution. How is saying this over and over while doing absolutely nothing sound like just their fault?
Sure I was being way to hyperbolic in saying that there is NOTHING I can do. I want people to be more active about this shit too, I'm sorry I came across as nihilistic about the situation but there isn't a lot else people like me can do but my point is that the perception I get from headlines like this is that it's just the general public that is the major contributor to the problem, when it is companies that do output a large percent (unless I'm mistaken?) Really didn't think I'd get much of a response, I want us all to have a nice planet too
at what point will it become okay to consider drastic action in an attempt to steer ourselves away from the single most threatening thing to the existence of our species? billions will die from the effects of climate change, and those at the helm do not care.
I certainly never absolved corporations from responsibility. Their lobbying efforts, for instance, hinder environmentally progressive legislation a great deal. Yes, a lot of them deliberately avoid environmentally preferable alternatives out of sheer greed, and for that they share a great deal of responsibility on their own for climate change and its consequences. But by how much do you think they'd technically be able to reduce their emissions without affecting the supply and services they provide? 20%? 30%? Take planes, for instance. They're already extensively optimized, because lowering fuel consumption by a few % is what makes or breaks an airline's profits. They're still the least CO2 efficient mean of transportation available. No amount of goodwill from plane manufacturers and designers will significantly reduce their planes' emissions for decades to come. What will reduce emissions, though, is people not flying unless it's absolutely necessary, and using literally any other mean of transportation available instead. That's, on average, a 60% (alone in a car) to 97% (electric train) reduction. More than technology could ever achieve. Same goes for industrial processes that require heating stuff up to insane temperatures. There's no other way to do that than burning stuff. So the only way to reduce the associated emissions is to buy less of the products it's used to create. Same goes for the refining of rare earths, which is required to make our electronics and even renewables. And yes, it sucks that your country is lagging behind on low-carbon energy production. The other side of the coin, though, is that since you put out so much CO2 per kWh consumed, you also prevent a lot of it from being emitted by personally saving electricity. As I've pointed out in another thread, as an American, you save up on 7 times more CO2 than me by reducing your electricity consumption by a given amount. We do need all the help we can get, that means fighting on two fronts: Personal reduction of emissions and political pressure to force corporations into playing ball. But don't overestimate the power of technology when it comes to solving the issue at hand, and don't downplay the impact an individual can have.
You think I haven't tried to make a difference? Fuck off. I sure as shit have tried and still do. Maybe you shouldn't insult people who could potentially side with you. Cringy and edgy my ass. God forbid I feel like shit because of the shit that's happened the past two years.
-- Sabotage the means of pollution -- This also means applying economic pressure upon the products one consumes, as Axel has been saying. Though most people won't take action unless they are forced - which is why it really is up to governments and corporations to make the bulk of the changes that will then inform the habits of the population at large. If beef is suddenly twice as expensive due to a carbon tax, then people are less inclined to buy it as often. Or, say, if gas prices in one nation skyrocket because of an increased tax or even the sabotage of refineries, then car manufacturers will be forced to produce cheap EVs to supply its population, or otherwise lose their business there - It will cause a partial collapse of the economy, no doubt, but such things are necessary to enact rapid social and economic change. Most people don't want there to have to be sacrifices, but unfortunately that is just how it's going to have to be.
Can civilization survive?
I'd not put it out of the question, but at what cost and after what amount of suffering, long-term damage, and loss in terms of ecology, biodiversity, and human life?
Maybe. Most likely not. All the signs we've observed so far point to it not being "fixed" before it's far too late to fix anything anymore. "Your blood" makes people special, now? What are you, the blue-blooded heir to the throne of Finland? The first and the fourth are possible. I wouldn't hold my breath for the second and third. ...which will be a jolly good mess of inhospitable weather, food shortages, xenophobia, rampant nationalism and resource wars. Welcome to the future, Techno Grub junior, we hope you didn't need security and stability anyway!
How about I insult both you and the suits? Good on you for trying to make a difference. Keep doing that, keep encouraging others to do the same. Picket, protest, vote, recycle. Don't give me this "we're all doomed, we're all going to die" apocalyptic bullshit. It's pityful goddamn nonsense and only serves to widen the narrative of "what's the point?". The more people think there's no chance to change anything, the less people are inclined to do it - so sit up straight, be the fucking change you want to see, and quit this toxic, irresponsible nihilism.
Except what the other guy is instigating is bombing a building because he or others like him are not getting their way. I get it; shit's fucked, but if you want to fix it, the last thing we need are people committing terrorist actions because we are ten years away from "Something vaguely bad will happen." Defeatist attitude is not the way, and neither is the destruction of property and the death of a people. Ten years time several elections will happen in between, so I suggest you vote for the people that support of eco-friendly actions that while it may or may not do much, it sure as hell beats doing nothing and being told "You wanted something? Well you didn't exactly do anything to fix that so here we are." I rarely eat beef, only to season certain foods and we eat steak on rare occasions. Turkey and ham are my bread and butter for lunch nearly everyday so I'm doing the best I can for now.
This is what I needed to hear. I was so blinded by my depression and despair that I couldn't see what you really meant. Thank you for lifting my spirits
I want the world to band together and achieve this, I really do. But with the rise of these insane far right parties everywhere in the west, I just don't see it happening. Kind of ironic that they love coal and oil so much when it's due to create the largest refugee crisis the world will ever see.
I attempted to construct the most overbearingly dramatic broadly sweeping generalization that pisses off the greatest possible number of people in this thread possible but I unfortunately did not succeed, so I will instead indulge in annoying optimism. A genius ass motherfucker or a set of genius ass motherfuckers will invent a highly effective way to suck out enormous amounts of carbon out of atmosphere in a ridiculously short amount of time and save us all from horrific doom. Maybe we could also figure out a way to vent our bullshit into deep space to cool the planet down, such as by causing a massive nuclear explosion in an uninhabited area that ruptures the ozone layer in a controlled manner without hopefully killing everything.
I really do blame capitalism.
https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/958838511452508160 If America could shrink our military and reinvest those hundreds of billions into renewable energy, nuclear power plants, public transit, green jobs for all program, research, and any of the several other known solutions, we'd easily be on the right track. A nice plus is that we also stop dropping bombs on millions of people. But that actually requires politicians to listen to constituents and not the money of the military industrial complex.
You're assuming that extremism and drastic action is even an option at all, let alone a good one. All it'll do is get you arrested or shot, and i guarentee that when shit hits the fan, you'll be a much bigger help without bullets in you.
Well, maybe it won't be as bad as a "barren, inhospitable wasteland" with no security or stability but yes, it's looking really bad. As for my gene line, hell's yeah! Wouldn't wanna leave the future barren wasteland for all the Arabs, right? Heil fucking Hitler. Seriously though, we all have a right to it. I might change my mind, as might anyone, but currently it's one of my principles. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for my father, my father's father, father's father's father, and so on. All of them could have made the same decision, that having more kids is only going to increase emissions and make the world a worse place to live, but it's not so simple is it? I don't want to just stop the continuity by such a naive, self-defeatist decision like that. Fuck that. It feels kinda weird talking about it, though.
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