I agree with this but I fixate more on the individual like you and I. It might just be the depression of all this news dampening down on me but I genuenly feel like people like you and I are going to be left in the dirt and mud to either drown by flooding, burn by wildfires, or get killed by looters/muggers. I lost my neighborhood this summer to wild fires and I moved only to see that my whole area is going to get obliterated by flooding. I can't just keep packing up and moving I don't have the money and neither do alot of people. It's difficult to get a high paying job especially when you don't have a degree or any particular skills due to health. I'm at a loss, I suppose. I don't mean to toss all this out at once but reading what I do in this thread only reaffirms my deepest concerns. Just at a loss. An entire loss. We are going to lose a LOT of people to this. Lives are going to be disenfranchised people are going to die en-masse. Of course we as a race are not going to die out but we will lose almost everything in the process.
Sorry for the rant I just- I am at an utter loss after everything and now the predicted future is hopeless.
Worldwide, 24/7 protests now. Demand the creation of a war economy, heavy restrictions on car and meat usage, extremely high carbon taxes, and everything else physically possible, as well as complete sanctions on any country that fails to do so.
Dont become lone wolves folks, community is everything.
What about food supplies?
Problem with dramatic climate change is the potential for flooding etc. Very important when determining where to put your shelter.
Patton Oswalt said something at my brother's highschool graduation ceremony (or at least he was supposed to. He went way off script):
All of you have been given a harsh gift. It’s the same gift the graduating class of 1917, and 1938, and 1968 and now you guys got – the chance to enter adulthood when the world teeters on the rim of the sphincter of oblivion. You’re jumping into the deep end. You have no choice but to be exceptional.
I mean, if you think about it, has there been a single time in the last hundred years or so where the utter destruction of mankind didn't seem assured? If it wasn't the Germans destroying Civilization in WW1 or WW2, then it was the Russians and Americans destroying Civilization for the last 50 or so years. Generations of kids grew up with nuclear annihilation drills, sure that, even though they were applying for college next year, they'd probably never live to see it. With the various wars that have happened since then, many of them never did.
Seriously, time is just a meat grinder. Some countries have been absolutely ravaged by geological events with millions dead already. Thailand in 2004, Japan in 2011, Louisiana in 2005. Those guys are dead; their apocalypse already happened. Worldwide, millions of people in poorer nations live with the lingering thought that there's a high likelihood that their death is going to be an unnatural one.
If your concern is the continuity of the human race as a whole, I honestly wouldn't be too worried. We're here to destroy the world because we proved more capable than the dinosaurs. Maybe Elon Musk will put people on mars or something, maybe a small group of preppers in Utah will become the origin branch for the next 1,000 years of human history, or maybe aliens will find our bones and clone us in 1,000,000 years. anyways, who cares? you'll be dead. Don't have kids, I guess, unless you care more about the potential survival of the species than you do about them
I wonder how the world would react if an asteroid were coming, how would forums react? Would it be any different than this?
idk about Canada but America is a veritable ocean of corn, I have a lot of faith in our ability to continue exporting food
"Can you control your fears when
a certain end is waiting
ahead of time and karma
the fate that's overarching
As weak and slim our chances
are in the veil of darkness
the cross that we all carry
the cursed become the martyrs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5JqLwyI70w
1: The only reason for this is because it's economically cheaper to buy from abroad. If we used all the available land in Britain (we've actually reforested so much we've now got more woodland than we did when the domesday book was written- for reasons such as not needing the agricultural space and because woodland is a good fiscal investment) we could maintain our current population.
2: Food production methods can easily be changed and have changed across history, look up Boserup's theory of technology outpacing adversity.
3: The UK is facing these issues too. However, all it will mean in the US is people will move further inland and North to avoid the hurricanes and enjoy the slightly colder climate.
Things are gonna get fucked, that's certain, but we can deal with the issues. We're the goddamn human race for chrissakes.
But can our values and technology survive?
Seriously, you should be learning as much as you can but you should be learning a trade because we're going to need people to build the habitats and maybe even facilities designed to fix the damage we did.
And if not, to build our future homes if we're forced to leave. I'm waiting on some inheritance money to start training in Welding. Get trade craft training, in a world where infrastructure is going to be needed we'll need builders. Not thinkers.
We probably wouldn't be told. The entire world would unravel if we were told there was an absoloutely certain chance of death in x years. The thing with climate change is that we're unsure how it will go, how bad it will be and what areas will be impacted the most.
I agree but this is crushing due to how passionate I am about "thinking" jobs. Plus I have a lot of motivation issues and doing something like that requires a lot of commitment and self discipline I dont have.
should our technology survive?
Technology, likely.
Values, depends. Values are constantly in flux as they're highly subjective: for example, what was the soceital norm 500 years ago is not now. Depends what we have to do to survive and whether people are willing to violate their values to survive. Put simply, values will likely change very quickly if you're starving or need to war for resources.
I think it should, I think we ought to explore the universe and embrace all that we find within it. Or at the very least, explore ourselves (wether thats digitally or AI or something else)
There is a strong argument
kaczynski was right
Values aren't worth anything, though far right nationalism will be popping up more and more everywhere
Working with your hands is good for you- read 'The Case for Working with Your Hands or Why Office Work Is Bad for Us and Fixing Things Feels Good'.
Civilians likely would, but by then it won't matter if the world goes to shit. The government and the rich would have acted contingencies and/or sent men to the moon. It's why I'll be shit scared if the government announces a rapid, out of the blue, moon mission.
I'm not sure what Nazis have to do with climate change or why Nazis would get in power due to climate change, but I do happen to have a Luger magazine and about 60 rounds of ammunition from 1942 stored in my dressing room.
Now all I need is a Luger, and I'm ready for global warming.
We'll always need thinkers, even the fucking cavemen had thinkers and artists and musicians. Just because you learn a trade doesn't mean thinking can be entirely lost, but we have too many right now. Even before this became a crisis of survival we have had more STEM majors than projects and departments to put them in and we've been needing welders, construction workers and etc for far longer.
You can learn multiple disciplines, I was in Uni for 5 years as a Communication/Poli-Sci double major but I'm pushing for a trade because I know that the bridge being gapped here needs people who know multiple backgrounds. Whether its artificial intelligence, global climate change, macro scale economics, its important to know in depth from multiple fields.
Nazis thrive on civil strife, so does the various lefties.
New Technology will not be saving us because we haven't properly deployed them. Countries like Brazil are removing massive amounts of their rainforest to plan GMO crops to harvest them and then watch them die before they even reach the table back in the population centers because they don't have the infrastructure.
Technology is a neutral force, its the policies, construction and maintenance of those technologies which are vital and we're missing a grand number of people for those last two.
So you did graduate with a degree? How are you learning that trade now, just as a hobby?
Poorer areas, such as Bangladesh, are going to be disproportionately affected by climate change because they have less money to mitigate the effects of rising waters. There will be mass migration to their wealthier, less flooded neighbors, like India. With the additional strain on resources, and the inevitable cultural conflicts that come from mixing two ethnic/cultural/religious/linguistic/etc groups together, far right politicians blaming foreigners for the worst effects of climate change will become more popular. Islamophobia in Europe, racism against blacks, mexicans, etc in America, Muslim-Hindu conflict in India will become more popular.
our best bet would be to stop using industrial and post-industrial technology full-stop.
Oh and of course, the Jews will no doubt be blamed for everything by some
We have alienated ourselves from each other and this planet because we've let technology which we did not and do not fully understand go everywhere because we were promised this myth of Inevitably.
Things will inevitably get better. Progress is Inevitable. Well, I'm sorry, but its not. It requires us as a society to maintain and curate that progress and we forgot that lesson.
People tend to go into fits of despair by just reading the headlines but not internalizing messages in.
Yes, we are in deep shit and yes, there is existential threat here, and yes, even best case scenario is shitty. But what can you do other than try to go for the best chance we have - 1.5C, according to research, is still possible although immensely difficult through various pathways. Even people like James Hansen, people who put out research about Hot House earth, believe that this change is necessary and achievable. Inaction now will threaten civilization and hundreds of millions this century.
But really, you are wasting the little you have if you just spend it on worrying, dreading and despairing and not doing anything worthwhile to help. As _Axel has been pointing out, lot of our emissions can be tracked to our own consumer habits, and what we really need is people leading the way and pushing for better future. Consume more consciously and push for initiatives that will help world to reach that best-case scenario.
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