I'm guessing my Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science won't be worth much once there's no electricity, now will it?
Where do you think electricity will go?
There will be electricity; we're not gonna go back in time, we're just gonna stall. Electricity and other resources will be harder to come by, and maybe you can even use your programming skills to code deathbots for an underground crime syndicate
We need to prepare for a catastrophe at least as bad as the second world war. Viewing this as the end of human civilization is a bit much, I think. While we face the greatest challenge in human history, we also have the greatest tools at our disposal. I'll say what I've said before - despair is simply not the answer.
There is an enemy, it must be fought by any means possible. Action is the only appropriate response. Inaction, either through nihilistic despair or outright denial, are both morally reprehensible.
Don't give up, that's how we lose.
I guess I'm just kind of worried about just how bad things will get. The worst case I'm thinking of really isn't that elecricity would go away, but that industry and the demand for programmers just completely collapses because people are trying to satisfy basic needs, like building housing for displaced people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsuJgNjDMSE
Well, shit. This episode of Civil Protection turned out to be incredibly accurate.
Learn a trade I suppose. I don't think demand in general for technology will be gone, but perhaps for different kinds of technology (Maybe people won't need corporate blogs made for them anymore, but they'll still need the machine which build buildings).
how many people do you know who don't believe in anthropogenic climate change
do you think they're more likely to think "Oh, I was wrong, my beliefs and actions lead to this situation, I should change" or "my misfortune is someone else's fault, we should make them pay"
The issue is that the companies that manufacture GMO foods also are the ones that support an industrial form of farming that heavily damages the environment.
GMOs are kind of a gimmick anyway, they're not the best source of optimization available. A better approach is to look at farming from a systemic standpoint; to create self-sustaining cycles so that everything needed to grow your crops are locally available, rather than have to be manufactured and shipped from dozens of kilometers away. This means growing legumes and trees alongside your crops, for instance.
Good starts are not good enough.
They're starts, dude. He's not going to go and say "there, I've saved the planet" just because he cut red meat out of his diet.
It's a starting point from which he can envision a way ahead. It also means he's got most of the effort out. When you've managed to meaningfully change your habits once, it becomes much easier to do it again.
ecofascism is a growing political front, as well
This line of reasoning has been going on for the last 100 years or so. If you honestly want to have children then go for it. Regardless if we're fucked or not, we shouldn't deny the next generation a chance to try.
Unless a giant ass rock strikes the earth, no one should be giving up their lives or futures.
So I have only 20 years to become rich and move alongside the other rich people to the walled rich people island to escape the refugees and wait for the planet to rebalance itself? Seems doable.
You're telling me to conciously make changes I already make? Besides the electric car bit... can't afford that. But even then, as an example I avoid milk because I dislike the idea of tons of cows in awful factory farms being treated terribly. Plus cow methane is apparently a big pollutant. But then you hear the soy or whatever you're drinking contributed to mass deforestation and outpriced many small communities in the areas it is grown.
So uhh what do I do?
I'm not saying give up, but ethical consumption is rarely possible. And if it is, it's normally only an option for the privileged. Truth be told we need systemic change.
If its as bad as they say the economy will go into a freefall the likes of which hasn't been seen since the great depression, they'll suffer alongside everyone else.
Well, someone will be rich. Won't necessarily be the same folks. That money won't go up in smoke.
when i say ecofascism, i mean actual fascists with an ecological and environmentally-friendly bent, not the pejorative term for people who want ecological reform
Any kind of skills and education are going to make you more valuable, a lot of people that will inevitability flee their homes either domestic or broad will have no skills outside manual or menial labor
I will say regardless that life is inherently full of tragedy. However only you can decide whether or not you want to live in hell or do you everything you can to push towards a better tommorow.
We should be worried, but we should not lose our optimism, hope, and drive.
Do all these for a start. Pretty sure the vast majority of people don't do half of those things. Then get info on more things you can do.
Still better than cow milk environmentally. It's not like you have no choice but to either drink soy milk or cow milk anyway.
The point is not to have literally 0 impact on the environment. The point is to reduce it. There's no such thing as 100% ethical consumption, what's important is that the choices you make are better than the alternatives in that regard.
You should be jailed for denying climate change like how you can get jailed for denying the Holocaust. No fucking excuse to think this isn't happening.
You don't need to move to an island to escape refugees. Refugees will mostly go towards cities, so you can escape to the countryside
I wonder at which point we'll see an event which will make enough people realize what is coming, so that the big changes that are needed start to happen.
I doubt people will be able to explain away the problem once it becomes dire enough. I hope the realization comes sooner rather than later.
When its too late, I imagine.
I mean good on you I guess but someone with a physical disability like mine can't really do physical labour. My only choice to to go into fields that don't require me to do anything physically taxing, because if I did, I'd probably fail, die, or not even make it past training.
When I posted this thread 6 hours ago, part of me was curious about how people here would react. It's been a shitshow the last few weeks of American news. Kavanaugh made enough people despair, and with this awful news, I wanted to know how people's mindsets would be affected.
Yes, shit does suck right now. A lot of shit sucks.
It doesn't have to, not forever. Progress is real, y'all. Every generation has faced catastrophe and survived, making things better for the next. Black people used to be considered property! But because past generations made the right choices and fought and bled and died for the right thing, society improved.
It's small consolation, I know. Death is terrifying, and so many of us (speaking as a 20 year old) haven't been able to fully enjoy life and all its gifts: love, purpose, fulfillment. We're terrified that those things will be forever out of reach.
The only anathema to that despair is to do something. If every person who cared about climate change did something small, whether it be voting or joining a protest or educating others, this issue would go away so much faster.
I refuse to believe that our lot is to die quietly. I refuse to believe that, because it means that I am worthless and my beliefs and goals and dreams mean nothing in the face of a cruel and indifferent world. I know that I am not worthless and that what I believe in, so long as I do something to make it true, will help people and will protect human life and culture.
If you're afraid, do something to alleviate it. If you're terrified that our future is bleak, do something to make it brighter. As Westerners with internet connections and the time and energy to get in fights on the internet, we are the best equipped to make change real.
If you don't do something, you're part of the problem that so terrifies you. You are making it worse for people less safe and more at risk than us. Don't be that person.
That's entirely fair. I was not saying that we don't need people who can code, and work computer systems. They'll be highly valued as well as they need to control a multitude of systems but we still need boots on the ground sorta deal with building up stuff.
The fermi paradox really is definitive on this shit, I agree.
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