i noticed to my satisfaction that i'm already doing 99% of these - being quite poor, i try to keep my investments frugal and don't consume all that much
however, the processed food bit leaves me a bit of a question mark - what can i get from the local market that isn't processed and has a cheap price tag to go with it?
This depends.
You can eat a lot of veggies but I know the calories content of processed foods is hard to beat dollar to dollar.
Dont eat processed foods if you don’t have to. Health wise it’s a nightmare.
The production of soy only leads to deforestation due to it being used as feedstock for animal agriculture. Anyone who still consumes animal products in large quantities through their diets are contributing to this very problem and are also to blame.
Eh, you missed the part where half of the people in the crowd are saying "There's no train, I don't believe you" and "This is just scaremongering so Democrats can get more taxes"
Politicians, corporate figuree and all the other cunts who denied climate change in spite of actual evidence deserve to be subjected to violence. Eco-terrorists should target these selfish fucks and punish them for their blatant greed.
I'd like to post an excerpt from my favorite SCP Tale. Context: This tale is a retelling of events following a massive breach of SCP's. It's told through the eyes of some unknown protagonist who had barricaded himself in his house following what amounts to an apocalypse. He meets an agent tasked with recovering these SCP's, who reveals what exactly has occurred and why. Toward the end, the agent describes the fact that they've the abilities to reboot humanity, and restore it to it's 'pre-apocalyptic' state. This is the story, here is the final paragraph:
I don't know if that man was crazy or not, but I think he was sane. As he was leaving, he said something about putting my house underwater. Please, don't let them brush me away. Don't let them hide us. Try and find more, I know there's got to be more people who tried to leave something behind. Don't let the world die in vain. Remember us.
What we're experiencing is a test. It's testing our abilities to clean up after ourselves. It's testing our ability to come together as a world and fight against the future. If we fail, fine. But don't go down without a fight. Let's force Fate to drag us kicking and screaming toward the abyss. Let's leave a legacy as the most resilient species to ever exist on Earth. This defeatist bullshit is retarded. Your life won't be all for nothing if you actually attempt to make a change. If you buy into defeatism, you've already died. Don't let the world die in vain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAN1kt4SG9E
That's negative and a bad mindset to have. You're basically telling people to give up and do nothing unless it's "good enough". Not a good idea.
And this... is just wow. The worst thing I've read today. You assume nothing is going to get better and that you should just not care until it's too late. Basically, you're saying "shit's fucked and
irreversible, so nobody should care anymore". This is the worst way to look at the issue at hand and I'm not sure whether you're projecting or super distrought.
Doing something is better than nothing, and if you want to accelerate the planet into a spiral due to cynicism, you deserve to be on the same boat as the people who outright deny climate change.
Timelines aren't proven to exist, and looking that far just cements depression. I'm tired of the timeline analogy people make all the time. "This is the worst timeline". It doesn't have to be.
The future can be changed, the past cannot. Don't look at the past as cementing the future.
The mass scale societal change that would be required to solve the problem at this point is unfeasible. It's essentially now a matter of not making the problem even worse than it's already guaranteed to be. When we're staring down the barrel of a transformation from a triple-cell climate system to an equable one, a transformation whose existence is hinted at by the increasingly unstable and seemingly chaotic weather systems we're experiencing, there really is no way to make it less bad. It's going to get there sooner rather than later, and the only real question is if it's very soon or incredibly soon.
I like how a lot here have decided to just give up. Like "fuck this what's the point" give up. Okay, you can start telling everyone why you haven't started a career, met a friend or a woman, or looked for a job to pay for food and the bill because you think the world will just die on a hypothesized date . "That's fine, we're all dead anyway." Your asses are going to be thrown out the door because this attitude has gotten to your heads. I swear the defeatist attitude here is worse than Garry changing the site layout. It's not like the world will immediately end at 2040.
Want someone who won't deny the climate issue? Vote for them and fuck the other guy. Stand up against the bullshitting deniers. Put them in their place, direct them to articles on how it can be economically efficient. Tell them how effective green power is vs coal 1000x if you need to. SOMETHING OTHER THAN CRYING ABOUT IT. Trump should never get that seat again and you have like a dozen elections before the "inevitable doom" arrives like its the next Avenger's movie featuring the heat death of the universe. Trump and his ilk were our warning, let's not repeat it.
I hear you all like feeling crushed under the weight of the world so here's something that'll make your day worse
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-doubt-un-climate-change-report-2018-10?r=UK&IR=T
Trump said on the White House lawn on Tuesday that the UN report "was given to me."
"And I want to look at who drew it, you know, which group drew it," he said.
He suggested that other reports were as valid as the UN's, though he did not specify any.
"I can give you reports that are fabulous, and I can give you reports that aren't so good," Trump said.
As president, Trump has been unwilling to take steps to curb climate change that he feels would damage some industries.
"We are going to be environmentally friendly, but we're not going to put our businesses out of work, and we're not going to lose our jobs," Trump said at the time. "We're going to grow."
Though the world will not end, society as is recognizable to us certainly will. Additionally, there will undoubtedly be mass societal upheaval as our noses are slowly ground into the mess we made on the carpet. Here's a great quote from Fredric Jameson:
"Someone once said that it is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism. We can now revise that and witness the attempt to imagine capitalism by way of imagining the end of the world.'
The earth will remain, but this is functionally speaking the end of the world (and, thankfully, almost certainly the end of capitalism).
You're pathetic
and I honestly need no other words to refute this crybaby bullshit but I might as well point out that it's hilariously short sighted and cowardly of you to submit to the idea that we're completely doomed and deserve extinction while you continue to do nothing to contribute to mitigate the problem. Way to take an idiotically perceived "higher ground" as if the hard work and determination of our species is laughable to you. Grow up and get some perspective.
The thing is I can't imagine people who have been born and lived with capitalism, including me, adapting to anything else, whether its subsistance farming communes or something else.
I'm a social democrat, I'm fine with capitalism as long as it's not allowed to fuck people, under penalty of law.
While it wasn't huge as standard subsistence farming, my folks and I have a garden where we grow our own veggies and fruit. Weather can be bad, but 80% of the time our plants can beget a good amount of food for days. The garden used to be around 15 feet wide, it's now moved from one end of the deck to the other end. The hardest part other than committing to caring for the plants is picking the food you want to grow and get accustomed to.
Eco terrorism is going to be on the rise soon, either ways someone's gonna die.
Can we put climate change deniers in the gas chambers already?
Not everyone will die, and our infrastructure will mostly survive except for where it gets submerged by the sea or destroyed by hurricanes. The main cause of the havoc will be panic and displacement. We already make more food than we need, the problem is more readily getting it from farm to table. Logistics is the main difficulty we face. Most of our sources of energy will still be viable, but how we distribute that energy will become more of an issue.
It is not the end of the world, but the beginning of a new world. Many will die, and many will die needlessly. What we need to do is prepare our hearts and tighten our belts, not despair and degenerate into tribalism.
Capitalism can't function without reliable, long term growth. Investment is predicated upon it. In a world without air travel or cargo shipping (two of the most staggering causes of carbon emissions) and without oil drilling and refining, essentially a world without the cheap energy that our entire boom since the 1890s is based on, predictable growth will no longer be present. We released millions of years of stored carbon for a massive economic boost and now we can't put it back. We will be forced to find another option, or we will only make matters worse.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/07/05/1704949114.full
"Much less frequently mentioned are, however, the ultimate drivers of those immediate causes of biotic destruction, namely, human overpopulation and continued population growth, and overconsumption, especially by the rich. These drivers, all of which trace to the fiction that perpetual growth can occur on a finite planet, are themselves increasing rapidly"
solution: eat the rich
*points squirtgun at the sun, takes careful aim, and pulls the trigger*
I'm Doing my Part!
I just tought would it be posible for hitler to stop climate chance, he always talked about preserving a beatiful nature or was it just bullshit?
The whole point is that if many of us start doing the same an actual measurable difference will happen. Just reading the post inspired me to attempt to only eat white meat. It's not very hard to commit to.
Way to miss a point that's been told and retold hundreds of times at this point.
Even if there are some sacrifices that you can't make without affecting your competitiveness and exposing weaknesses, most of them don't. It's still better than nothing.
This thread combined with garry's threat of shutting down the forum sure makes it feel like the end-times around here.
sounds like something one of those old, rich fucks would say. are people really that attached to material goods and fleeting enjoyment to justify actively making the situation worse for all of us in the long term? are people from this generation really satisfied with only living till they're 40-50 years old where we'll possibly face the largest disaster in recorded history? if you don't give a fuck about your own life, can you still justify your choices when thinking about future generations? I'm pretty fucking sure we'd be angry as fuck if the consequences of climate change hit us in our 20s, or even in our teens. the kids growing up today will be those people, and their kids will be teens when shit hits the fan.
yeah for sure, it's the big corporations that spews out shit but that's because there's a huge demand for the stuff they produce. everyone needs to change, including us.
Popping up on TV too.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/133007/550b6301-35dd-447a-93b7-615495e97d06/20181012_095128.jpg
So yeah now no one will have the "oh online sources tend to be fake" excuse this time.
I mean, people blame the rich and politicians, and they are responsible greatly for the current state of the climate, but really, is that doing any good?
Even if everyone with power suddenly decided to go eco-friendly, that by itself wouldn't save the climate.
Entire populations would have to change their way of life -- like stopping the wide-spread usage of cars and cutting electricity usage by half.
Is that really going to happen?
The most realistic final solution to climate change in my mind is science developing a method to combat it, rather than changing the way we live to reduce it.
Yeah it's simple economics by this point. Buy less to make less, but here in america it's a people's problem to take these wants for granted. We all want the latest games, the systems, the new shoes and the smelly perfume that we forget the cost of buying all of these goods.
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