Rumor: JJ is a hack, Star Wars Episode IX to bring back iconic Star Wars Villian
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Yes indeed. Just look at Marvel, they keep rebooting Spider-Man.
VII and IIX were fine movies and fun popcorn flicks, people are getting their panties in a bunch over nothing (although I'll agree IIX was the lesser of the two). I'm sure IX will be fine as well. However comparing those behemoths to the spin-offs like RO or Solo is ridiculous, not to mention that Solo was a fucking catastrophe from day one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE
This will never lose relevancy.
Seriously though, why would you even believe this for a second? There's been dozens of "[PREEXISTING CHARACTER] is appearing in the new SW film guys, trust me!" style rumours from people with dubious sources that have been proven wrong in the past. You'd need to be gullible as hell to still have any trust in them.
(if they really wanted Palpatine to show up in IX in any form then I'd imagine they'd just grab McDiarmid again for it. If they can get him to show up for the last few episodes of Rebels then I don't see how they wouldn't bring him back for the films)
As someone who was a huge Star Wars fan when younger I was kinda excited for the new movies/revival of Star Wars (I also liked the prequels for all of their flaws), but after watching TLJ only in the last few weeks I thought it was just kinda ehh, I'm not one to sit and try to pick out every little flaw in movies/'why didnt they just do XYZ' moments but there were definitely a few headscratchers in TLJ and a lot of sections just feel really forced/contrived for the sake of pushing the story along or filling out the time.
I have to agree with Rich from RLM in that the Star Wars movie universe is so tiny and boxed up in a really limited and boring way, whereas in things like the games, books etc it can be a really rich and interesting universe imo.
I think that 'hardcore' Star Wars fans will just have to accept that the movies are never going to be what they want them to, I do think they bring the 'magic' of Star Wars to the current generation of kids though so I'm not too beat up over it.
Imagine if Hollywood stopped rebooting old shit and started doing original work again...
The Executor was not moving a lightspeed, it's not really comparable.
That does not justify adding in plot points that contradict the established rules of the universe. Having your fictional universe work with established rules is necessary for suspension of disbelief to work. Whenever you want to change them you need to to it carefully and if you want to break them you must break them right. You cannot just throw whatever you want on the screen because it looks impressive.
Unless you are going to say that it's also very hard to pull off, it still would not make sense why nobody does it.
I don't care about the bombers in space situation because it's a space fantasy and they can be operated by space magic for all I care.
What I care about is how nothing actually happened in this movie. It was just a bunch of idiots running around fucking everything up and making all the worst decisions possible, and the resistance is like twelve people strong at the end.
Cite unto me where it is established in Star Wars canon that one cannot ram a ship into another at FTL speeds.
It's implied in the fact it has never been used in any of the previous films. Not all rules need to be explicitly written, they can be merely implied.
I find it a bit crazy how the source for this article is literally just the Weekly Planet Podcast.
I love the podcast and have listened to it for years, and I know that both Nick and James have never claimed to be journalists, or people who know anything about anything. This is 'big star wars news' and it literally comes from the section of the show called "hot scoop or shot of poop", which is where James talks about a potential hot scoop from an upcoming movie (because people who claim to be involved in production email him), and if the scoop is proven incorrect he must eat a shot of poop.
I think they do actually have a pretty good track record for getting scoops, like they knew about the Matt Damon cameo in Thor: Ragnarok, but it's primarily speculation for speculation's sake. Seeing 'legitimate' news journalists use them like this just really tickles me.
because it's a mixture of sheer-dumb luck (catching the First Order fleet off-guard), overriding literally all safeguards in the hyperdrive, and not wanting to waste expensive ships.
i think that's more than enough reason for why it wouldn't have been used before.
That does not explain why it was not used before. "Don't want to waste ships" is not a good argument. We already explained that suicide ships can be built cheaply. Furthermore, sacrificing a normal ship for something 10 times it's size is an acceptable expenditure of resources.
The only way you could possibly explain it is that it's very difficult to pull off as a maneuver, but the movie does not say nor show that and Hux's familiarity with the tactic when he sees the ship turning indicates this is supposed to be some kind of established tactic despite nobody doing it.
wow almost forgot Star Wars was still a thing
Yes it is, when you're a rebellion/resitance to a much larger force you don't have the resources to waste on suicide missions.
who is "We", and where exactly?
no he realizes that their shields are all down (they rerouted energy to their guns) and realized they were probably fucked as a result. Not some innate familiarity with the tactic.
yeah, its not like they been doing this since 3 king kong reboots, dozen of mummy reboots, 25 james bond movies, etc etc
Its always been this shitty
It's never been used before because George Lucas is a Trash-Tier sci-fi writer who never had the creativity to come up with such a scenario. Among various other scenarios.
Compare the Space Warfare of the OT's Sci-Fi contemporaries, Mobile Suit Gundam and Legend of Galactic Heroes, to Star Wars - And you'll see exactly what I mean. None of the space Naval engagements Lucas wrote ever truly take advantage of the unique implications of combat in a vacuum or the 3D nature of space in general.
"Noone did it before" is such a shallow reasoning. There's no actual hard evidence that it's impossible.
The rebellion has dozens of cruisers and hundreds of fighters. They have enough vessels to wage war on the Empire, so they probably can afford to sacrifice some, especially if it means destroying much larger and more powerful targets. A single cruiser for a star destroyer is a fair exchange on the rebel end. Fuck, with the mass discrepancy TLJ shows, you can probably nuke a star destroyer with an x-wing.
Genkaz mentioned it earlier in this thread and I will repeat: Build cheap vessels with engines and a hyperdrive, fill them up with a lot of mass and have a droid pilot it. And if you don't want to build them for scratch, find a big rock in space and put engines on it. You do not need to sacrifice your regular military ships, just have purpose-built suicide craft.
Where was it said that the shields were down?
The problem is that if it is possible you inevitably have to ask why it was never done before. Luke's one in a million shot at the death star suddenly becomes a lot less impressive when you find out they could have just rammed the thing. All of the big space battles in every previous movie lose weight when you start asking why they are not using ramming. Wether Lucas considered it or not is moot, it is, for better or worse a part of the universe and you cannot just change it on a dime without creating plot holes.
Gundam has nothing to do with this, we are talking star wars and it's rules, not gundam's rules.
Weren't the arcing lasers made by JJ though?
IMO the ramming thing probably wouldn't be very hard to explain.
Star wars has had gravity well generators in the lore for quite a while that prevent hyperspace jumping in an area around it, that'll probably be the explanation for why they didn't just ram the death stars at lightspeed, if they ever decide to actually give an answer. They'd have prolly deployed even more interdictors if the empire were competent or if it was a regular tactic.
Though im not really one to care about picking apart minute details about star wars since it has always operated under the rule of cool, they're probably going to give something on this eventually
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Those were most often several decades apart or at least creatively different from the originals. There haven't been 25 Bond reboots, there have been 25 different attempts at creating a new creative work in the same extended canon.
Like, i have no idea why you responded to my post as if i was bitching about over-saturation of fantasy epics or Super-Hero movies. I specifically bitched about nearly bi-annual attempts at ham-fisting the same failed franchise again and again with zero ability to learn.
It's not always been this shitty and the fact that you have that impression is kind of shocking...
Even if that were true, the movie still did not explain anything. If it had, we would not be having these questions to begin with.
If this is true, it's probably just for Flashbacks or some other way to showing past events.
My problem with TLJ is that the characters are written like some sort of tragic comedy, and this is a thought I had even before Plinkett. Rian Johnson turned characters with interesting potential that I actually liked under JJ into a gaggle of retards, and people making irrationally stupid and/or suicidal decisions just to drive the plot along and milk it all for excess drama. While everyone's arguing about the lore behind space bombers and warp speed ship nukes, i'm baffled that we were supposed to feel bad about a character with ridiculous hair sacrificing themselves for no particularly good reason because Leia and a book said we should, despite her being a jackass up to that point that was barely relevant and she doesn't even bother informing any other commanders of the ship of the plan. Snoke showing up and dying in a bathrobe before he even has the chance to really do anything, just so RJ can proclaim that he defied expectations, doesn't make a good movie.
The worst part is that saying all of this is redundant because it's been what people have been saying since The Last Jedi came out (give or take people's opinions on TFA as a movie and JJ as a director).
As I've said before, I don't give a shit that Rian Johnson killed off Snoke just for the sake of subversion. He was a shit character that almost certainly never had an actual backstory, and I was hoping that Rian Johnson killing him off would give JJ no choice but to venture at least slightly from a ROTJ remake. But it seems I was too optimistic, if this does indeed turn out to be true, and Matt Smith isn't just playing a hologram or a force ghost.
The Hyperspace ram is something that be explained easily.
OT - Rebels didn't have lotta ships to begin with. They had a specific tactic of having most their fleet scattered to prevent it form being destroyed. The Deathstar also had shielding that was capable of withstanding large-scale fleet attacks, though fighters were slow enough to enter, however they were limited to flying fairly close to the surface because they would've been splatted by the shielding. DS2 had a big fucking planetary shield, that was big enough to prevent the fighters from entering close enough to even make them a threat, you think a hyperspace ram would've been a threat? Also the Rebels didn't have many ships or places to fucking go if they launched escape pods so one person could try to destroy the Deathstar.
Also there were like a dozen fucking Star Destroyers, so take your pick.
ST - The Resistence Pilots didn't ram SKB because it was literally a weapon built into a planet, with shields. Guess what they had to JUMP very close onto the planet itself when the shields had an opening. Also they didn't have many ships to begin with, also Phasma had to turn the base's shields off too. They also KNEW where the Resistance base was and they were most definitely planning on nuking it from SKB
In TLJ we see the majority of the Resistance escape to Crait.
Holdo is the only one on the bridge and literally attempts a Hail Mary.
Shocking a massive 3 kilometer long warship that's accelerated to lightspeed would be enough to not only easily be able to bypass the shielding, but almost entirely disable the ship as well as sacrificing only her life instead a large complement of military leaders and troops
The movie also didn't explain that lightsabers use kyber crystals or that the vulptices fed on tubers either but I don't see you bitching about those
Why are you dragging in anime, especially the name of a series that has become just as ridiculous as Star Wars over the years.
My problem with the new Trilogy isn't even Abrams, it was the last director who fucking...I have zero idea how to explain the whiplash that was the ending but its insulting.
I refuse to consume any sort of palpatine material unless it's played by mike stoklasa
Why does he have to be super young? I need a new dose of Ian McDiarmid Emperor.
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