Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son - Sensationalist Headlines

I have an ultimatum I like to bring out when the subject of transgender kids comes up. Which would you prefer? A kid is allowed to try out transitioning, decides it's not for them, and reverses the effects? Or a trans kid isn't allowed to transition and kills themselves because they can't take it anymore?

And inevitably a huge portion of the posters aligning against the mother in this case are blatantly ignoring this shit too. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't even be legal in the first place. To my knowledge nowhere will perform any form of SRT surgery before age 18. And before age 15-16 at the earliest the very most you can be prescribed is hormone blockers which are reversible. HRT is never allowed any earlier than that. Anyone who's arguing these points legitimately has no idea what they're even arguing and needs to go inform themselves before forming their opinion. This happens in every single trans-related article focused on a child and it gets really old because inevitably people explain this every damned time and inevitably it goes basically totally ignored. Then cue the next thread you get the same bullshit, often from the same exact people. The only issue is that at those ages most kids simply don't have enough information to go on is all. It took me up until after graduating high school before I came to the conclusion I was transgender despite knowing how I felt about things in freaking kindergarten. Chryseus can bitch and moan all he wants about how "nobody can come to a conclusion at that age!!1!!" but he's flat out wrong. It's not even unusual. From what I've seen it's equally likely that someone won't come to any conclusions about their identity at that age or that they will. It's not a matter of one group being a small minority that's an exception or some bullshit like that. It's no different than someone knowing they're attracted to one gender long before they even realize what sexual attraction is. I liked girls in elementary school, my sister liked boys in elementary school. Strangely enough nothing about this actually changed as we grew older other than my sister also realizing she might be open to relationships with other women. In contrast I knew people who were in their junior or senior year of high school before realizing their orientation. Some (many in fact) people just realize this sort of thing earlier.

If you are opposed to kids transitioning, you approve of child suicide. There's no way around that.

Puberty is universally considered to be hell for transgender people. Puberty resulted in at least 4 separate involuntary stays in psychiatric hospitals do to suicidal thoughts or attempts (mostly pills)

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What does that have to do with my post, which was pointing out that the article is obviously fabricated? If the article is true then that's bad but it's clearly extremely biased (and has at least one thing that's completely falsified, that the kid is on HRT, which would never happen at that age)

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I understand what you're getting at, but this is extreme. What does it mean to approve of child suicide in this case? To advocate and call for the deaths of transgender children? No one on this forum does that.

When people are saying completely ignorant shit like "you can't come to any conclusions about your gender identity at that young an age" or "someone that age shouldn't be getting transgender surgery/hormones" or other shit like that, they basically are. They're letting their blatant and complete ignorance form their opinion on a subject they're proving they know nothing about. Their reactions are kneejerks that ignore reality.

I thought the opinion of medical professionals was a long term analysis and if caught, the possibility of blockers at the start of puberty before switching to HRT later? Not because a child can't formulate their sense of gender expression but just be 100% sure for long term happiness.

Sources?

Of course, because if we take it at face value, let’s take Breitbart and Daily Stormer as valid news source as well

Yes, and puberty blockers are reversible. HRT is short term but over the long term it has irreversible effects so it's rarely given under 18 unless the specialists are absolutely sure. The issue comes when 90% of the people speaking out against this stuff randomly assume that they instantly jump to giving out HRT and SRS without even attempting to make sure first and actively resist efforts to be educated on the subject. (Also Chryseus repeatedly posted that people can't come to conclusions on their identity at such a young age and it's a very common sentiment in these threads basically every time it comes up.)

Well, I mean they're against a proven track record of the best therapy we have for GD. So yeah they have 0 idea what they're talking about. You can argue with them but your energy would be better spent on the people who don't challenge you with zero knowledge.

The issue is that these same people come into basically every thread like this and actively spread their ignorance. People need to oppose them even if they're wasting their breath on those individuals because there are other people who may not be informed on the subject reading the thread. And those people would easily fall for their ignorance if it isn't corrected.

What I meant is you should focus on the innocently ignorant, you'll get much more mileage than constantly butting heads to try and stop it.

I fail to see how that would accomplish anything other than closing off an avenue to educating them on the issues with their views while opening up an avenue to reinforcing those views through people spewing ignorance unopposed. Like if we can't try and educate people then what the fuck are we supposed to do?

It requires basically zero effort to argue with someone on the internet. So long as theres even a minute chance of reaching someone (not even necessarily the person being argued with either, anyone who reads the thread) its always worth the effort to engage with these people. The best way to oppose bigotry or ignorance is to engage with the bigoted or ignorant and try to sway them and those around them, no matter what.

American Academy of Pediactrics, Page 5: https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf In one survey, parents and caregivers of transgender youth first noticed these signs at an average age of 4½, while the children themselves first described their gender as “different” around age 6. Children's Hospital of Philadelphia: https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/when-do-children-develop-their-gender-identity A child begins to have an innate sense of their gender identity between ages 3 and 5. Around this time, they also start to pick up on the subtle and not-so-subtle gender expectations in their family, their daycare, their church and their community. The American Psychology Association: https://www.apadivisions.org/division-44/resources/advocacy/transgender-children.pdf Gender identity development occurs much earlier than the development of sexual orientation. Children usually have a sense of their gender identity between age 2 to 5 and they typically become cognizant of their sexual orientation around age 9 or 10, There are more, but these were nice sources.

Far right propaganda written by a douchebag who doesn't even believe transgender is a real thing. This should be in polidicks at the very least, ideally locked. That being said, assuming any of this is even real, just ask the kid, let them live how they want, and if either of the parents is trying to prevent them from doing that they should lose custodes.

I worded my response wrong. I never meant capitulation but rather that this is the internet, it takes zero effort to rebuke but it also takes zero effort from them to generate bullshit, actually it takes way less effort to generate bullshit. You should challenge the bullshitters but always leave a source or site that can have all of the resources needed for those lurking who don't understand what the fight is about. Trans issues are in no way close, even with the progress made, a mainstream issue so to uneducated, this arguement doesn't even make sense.

If you're on a windows system, just hit backspace when there's nothing else there. If you're on an Android device you just plain cannot delete them. I neither know nor care about Apple systems.

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You mention surgery, are you saying that child should get surgery if diagnosed? I’m sorry but even if most conclusions are correct, the rest shows that you can’t read a child’s mind and predict how it’ll change enough to do that.

literally nobody thinks this should happen

My reply has a quote, and it literally complains people who say “someone that age shouldn't be getting transgender surgery/hormones” I’m just trying to clarify that it’s what they really meant, the least you could do is read before passively calling me dumb and replying.

Maybe just let kids be kids, wait till they grow up a bit and then they can decide whether do transistion, put em on puberty blockers or something once puberty starts if they haven't decided yet "6 yo child commiting suicide over not being able to transistion" Im not even going to point out how bad this logic sounds

Right wingers became weird probably.

It hasn't. Facepunch is a predominantly left-wing forum.

Wow, there's more red flags in this guy's story than at a Nazi rally, something that he should be intimately familiar with as an author for the Federalist.