Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son
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To be fair, you (thankfully) don't really need a psych approval to get surgery, some surgeons like Dr. Chet will help you get the recommendations rubberstamped if you're being gatekept.
Did you even attempt to bother reading anything I've said in this thread? CHILDREN CANNOT GET SURGERY FOR BEING TRANSGENDER. Maybe all caps will make it clearer since I've already said it at least twice now. I went over all of this already. Basically nowhere in the world allows anything more than fully reversible puberty blockers before the age of 15-16 at the very earliest. HRT is allowed, typically no earlier than 16 but I've seen a handful of occasions where it was approved as early as 15 and in those cases it's always a matter of the specialists involved being very confident that it's the correct choice. SRS never happens before 18.
I don't know how people like you can come into a multipage thread and start saying shit like this which has already been explicitly explained. Read a thread before fucking posting in it for fuck sake.
We don't put children on hormones before puberty. "Transitioning" isn't just medical. It's picking a new name, new clothes, etc.
A 6 year old isn't going to commit suicide because they can't transition, but 13 year olds can and do. Going through puberty is a traumatic experience for trans people.
And God I hate this "let kids be kids" argument. Do you know what's one common thing lots of trans people share? We feel like we didn't have childhoods. I spent the entirety of mine suffering from dysphoria that I didn't know existed yet, constantly feeling like an alien in my own body and in social situations. I self harmed starting when I was five years old. That's what your idea of "letting kids be kids" is.
you: "let kids be kids"
also you: "kids shouldn't be allowed to transition"
hmm someone resurrect sherlock holmes we got a mystery on our hands here
You don't seem to realize when someone's talking to you, because I remember neither implying that it's allowed nor asking for a worse recap of what I already know; I was questioning what you implied.
After some mental gymnastics, I've think what you actually meant with those ignoramuses who say kids shouldn't get surgery is that they're ignorant when they assume it's allowed in the first place. Doesn't come across so clearly now that I read it back to you, does it? Maybe all caps will make it clearer, try that again—or maybe "read a thread before fucking posting in it for fuck sake."
If you'd bothered reading the thread before you post you'd have realized that in the context of the rest of my posts you wouldn't have even needed clarification to begin with. Anyone actually following along (aka reading the fucking thread) would have easily understood what I said.
With your wording and several posts between, as well as the conversation not evolving around you? Look, I know you are probably tired of cursing out people like me, and I can be just as mean as you—but I'm LGBT along with my little brother who's trans, and I support all treatments available to him from blockers to surgery later on, as I've looked into them myself. I only questioned your implications.
these shitstorms only happen in this kind of thread why cant it just not fucking happen
"news" articles like this let the transphobes come out of the woodwork because they feel like their beliefs are being validated.
That's pretty ridiculous. Parenting is dichotomy, so you can't be entirely permissive on very important issues like this and without any sort of questioning as a parent. Kids have no idea what they are talking about almost most of the time, speaking as a former kid.
There's literally no harm in telling a child "okay, you can try out being different gender and see if you like it. What would you like us to call you?"
Wouldn't that constitute multiple personality disorder?
What? Is this a joke?
Guys, apparently experimenting with identity is multiple personality disorder
tried to come up with a creative way to call you a moron but every time i tried to write something dumber than this my eyes glazed over and i woke up with fluid leaking out of my ears
a) Dysphoria does not work that way.
b) Multiple personality disorder does not work that way. It's not even called that anymore, it's dissociative identity disorder.
c) Dysphoria and dissociative identity disorder have nothing to do with each other.
I literally have no idea what the point is that you're trying to make.
I appreciate some people reported this thread due to the source however this isn't Polidicks and there aren't source guidelines here.
I'm allowing the thread because it seems to have provoked some good debate. That being said I will not tolerate any blatant hate speech or transphobia.
with that logic, you have a multiple personality disorder. Unless you go by reg in real life.
Ah, I see you saw the same Psych episode as I did.
Too bad, a minimum of quality should be hold here as well.
Sensationalistic News != bullshit / far-right propaganda news
I'm just a sick fuck who likes a quick fuck
Didin't we discuss this shit on page one? Whether the source is shit doesn't matter if any of the details are correct, we still have a woman forcing her child to live according to her whims. Dealing with being transgender is something a child of six shouldn't be experiencing for obvious reasons. It should also be obvious that you can't force a person to be trans either. If the kid truly IS trans, he can get help and support when he's older and can actually process what he's experiencing. I don't know how this is so hard for some of you to understand. I have to wonder how old some of you are and whether you're just talking shit on purpose.
It's a fucking child! Holy FUCK i hate this generation! There's just zero earth contact!
No, literally fucking no. The only source for her forcing the kid to do anything is the father. Which is not a substantial source for the claim. What makes his claim any more correct than the mother's claim that he is abusing the kid and forcing the kid to suppress their identity?
I literally cited three sources on the previous page that prove the exact opposite: Age six is exactly when a child will have such an experience.
Children develop their identity and sense of self actually really early in life. As one of my sources on the previous page pointed out they become aware of their gender identity well before their sexual orientation, and they become of their orientation at 9-10. The kid being six doesn't make it probably that the mother is making it up at all.
The source being shit matters when it's missing facts, and misinterpreting the facts that we do have. We do not know how this child's gender identity changes were initiated, whether by the child or one of the parents. Most of this information is sourced from a propaganda site to "save james", but they also hosted legal documents about the case submitted for the mother (which I'm still trying to figure out if that's legal because it contains a lot of personal information about this case, which seems unusual when a child is involved, and I can't find the case documents online).
I don't understand your remarks about how they should get help when they're older either, as even if it is true that the kid is presenting as a female with their mother and at school and as a male with their father, that's a pretty dramatic gender shift and they could just be appeasing whichever parent is present. They need help and support NOW. Either to reaffirm that they know what they're doing or to sort out whatever confusion exists here. The parents need guidance too for handling this. They shouldn't be fighting over which gender is the right gender; instead accept one or accept both. The implication I'm reading here seems to be that they should just present as the gender aligned with their sex until they're old enough to know better (which other posts already explain is putting it off too long).
Back to the facts. Based on the documents available, we do know that the mother sought therapy for the child, which is a good idea as it introduces a professional and impartial perspective (and helps the child understand their own identity). The father also refused to acknowledge that the child was female in any way, would cut their hair to be more boyish, and made disparaging remarks even during this process. The mother obviously took issue to this and the court ordered that there be no hair cuts without permission from an attorney, and that the parents themselves are not to "persuade" the child's gender decisions that would disrupt their normal routine (among other orders including attending a psychologist assigned by the court to ensure a truly impartial evaluation). Yet, the father cut their hair and kept remarking about taking up "manly" hobbies only a couple weeks later. The father may lose access to the child because he directly violated the court's prior order.
It's super important that they defer to a professional about this sort of thing. They need someone from the outside to figure out how the kid wants to express themselves. On the father's part, intentionally disregarding professional opinions and court orders does not demonstrate good will.
How do you "know" the situation if the story you're "learning" from is full of holes, misinformation, and lies?
Can you explain that?
Gosh I hate this generational thing of not trying to verify information!
How is it multiple if it becomes the only way they are referred to because only one of those "person's" is actually real?
Although the fact that you're saying that being trans means that you're becoming an entirely new person is pretty weird.
The kid is fucking six years old. What the actual fuck, you people!?
You gonna actually respond to our points or are you just going to stomp your foot?
Yes, and that's about the age where children strongly develop the concept of gender identity. Refusing to let children express an alternative gender identity is cruel, for reasons we've already gone over in this thread.
Yeah, and as cited now twice in this thread, once directly to you, six is the age the kid will know.
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