• 'Screaming' on board as US plane's engine cover rips off: Reports
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I'd scream too. My #1 reason why I'd rather go across the country by car is parts falling/malfunctions midair.
The plane parts could always drop out of the sky and hit your vehicle
Done it, twice. Its actually kinda fun and you see a lot of really interesting stuff, but plan for three days of driving, more or less depending on where to and from.
To be fair, you're statistically far more likely to die on the car ride across the country than flying across the country.
Thing is it's not like I'll completely write off flying, but it's something that always bugs me at the back of my head whenever I have to fly. I've recently came back home alone on a plane and that to me felt like a rite of passage to never really fear plane malfunctions
I never fly anymore. I just can’t. It horrifies me. I used to love it, but I had a few bumpy flights in a row and now I have recurring nightmares about crashes. I know all the statistics, all the info you can throw at me I’ve already heard. I just can’t do it. If I never set foot on a plane ever again I am perfectly fine with that. i love flying in VR though, X-plane is dope.
Would you could you in a paramotor?
She added that people were yelling for the pilot to stop and that two women were crying while other passengers were pointing out the window. sure let me park this plane real quick
These things are designed to fly without that engine entirely. Some covers coming off won't do shit.
Try explaining it to your average soccer mom (Which will end up suing airline for "causing me panic stress" style bullshit). Should leave covers out completely, can't get scared by something that was never there in the first place.
I'd say that driving involves far more variables since flying just one plane of very few flying in the air, unlike 1 car of millions all driving 60+ mph within a few feet of each other hoping everyone is doing exactly what they should.
Absolutely, however for me it's the lack of control. When I drive I know it's me in control and I'm fine with that.
Aren't they on for the sake of aerodynamics though?
Who cares Stress > Functionality.
Gunnerson said that “it was like a riot on the plane” and that passengers were “jumping up screaming, slamming on the roof” I can understand people not knowing the billions of failsafes and panicking but surely slamming the roof would worsen any situation.
You could argue that the pilot has more control over the plane than any driver. Literal thousands of flight hours and training (with a backup pilot) and planes that are maintained to a meticulous level (anything less than perfect is unacceptable). Engineered with thousands of failsafes with people on the ground who's sole job is to watch planes traffic and tell pilots where and what to do. And when failures like this do happen, they are thoroughly examined and a bulletin/recall is issued to rectify the issue and if its a maintenance issue, the associated parties are held accountable (the FAA and NHTSA do not fuck around). Failures like this are very rare, and even more rarely, bring down a plane. Cars are also not immune to failures like this, which is why recalls exist. Those are issues that cause a loss of control and/or injure/kill occupants. And those are ONLY fixed if the government requests it or they did the math and fixing it would be less costly then settling lawsuits. Reality is, we are dealing with massively complex machines, and sometimes shit happens.
If the cover starts flying off of ONE engine, I'm going to start contemplating what other corners they've been cutting in preventative maintenance, which needless to say will do absolute WONDERS for my anxiety.
It's not just "you're less likely to die flying than you are driving", you are several orders of magnitude less likely to die when your considering commerical airlines. More private or smaller ventures tends to inflate the numbers a fair bit. For instance, this a graph of number of airline fatalities per year. The funny thing is that the number of flights each year has been increasing an increasing. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/224561/25c3ab92-7e02-4378-8046-465854fd24b4/image.png To break the numbers further down IATA 2017 number further, there's a 2017 fatality rate of 0.09. This means that, at this rate which has been improving, "a person would have to travel by air every day for 6,033 years before experiencing an accident in which at least one passenger was killed." This number is lower if you are only looking at North American and European flights, as other areas of a much higher rate of jet hull loses.
Statistically, driving that far of a distance increases your risk of a deadly accident at a rate much, much higher than flying every day for several years. Flights are the safest way we have to travel, as paradoxical as that sounds.
Hey, ever been 15000ft in the air with the covers of the engine just ripped apart and just screaming and hoping not to die ? They have and by God they did what we all expected from them and ourselves.
People need to learn just how safe airplanes really are. To me, screaming and crying and sending last messages because of an exposed engine seems just really dumb.
Something like this can kill people, if only from the panic it causes. If everyone knew how sturdy these planes actually were, they'd probably panic half as much, but that is also a completely ridiculous fantasy to have. Most people aren't going to have any interest at all in the engineering the vehicle when they are trapped inside after it has started malfunctioning. I wouldn't be surprised if the stress from the situation alone caused some heart attacks. I'd like to think that I'd be level-headed in a situation like this, but nobody ever knows how they'll act until the situation actually happens to them. I might find myself screaming, for all I know. Maybe some of the people freaking out on this flight thought the same. about themselves.
if I'm flying and I look out and see part of the engine get torn off my first reaction to that is not going to be "well they're meant to have an excellent safety record so I guess this random unidentified bit of plane tumbling off into the void probably isn't anything to worry about."
well I guess if you're in such a bad situation you might as well try and make it a quick one by helping destroy more of the aircraft. It's like if you're travelling at 60mph and the bonnet flips up, as a passanger is your first reaction to start slamming the roof and kicking the door screaming to get out?
Thing is, if you drive a car, you're in control and at least have a chance to fix the situation in case of disaster, if you're trapped way above the ground in a metal tube you're completely fucked
Lol. Isn't this the same lame excuse why people don't trust computer driven cars? You have as much of a chance to fix an accident while driving as you do while flying. Honestly in my opinion this is simply the fear of having no control over the situation. In reality it's kind of a Dunning Kruger effect when it comes to self-rated driving ability; Everyone likes to think they're a safe driver and it's only other people they have to worry about but realistically not very many people are capable of reacting appropriately under sudden stressful situations like car accidents. I'd trust the pilot and auto-pilot systems for my safety any day over my own ability and the average Joe's. Not to mention today's commercial passenger planes are built with sooo many fail-safes.
When you're in a car, you generally have zero chance to fix the situation because they tend to happen before you even register what's going on. Also, you might be in control, but I guarantee the pilot is 10 times more qualified to fly the plane than you are to drive.
Cars vs planes eh? Heh, while all of you children are playing around in your diapers, all of the real adults are taking trains across the country. I actually did this once and all I have to say is if you do this -- get a seating arrangement that comes with a bed and a shower. Believe me.
This has been the reaction of almost every person I've seen in a car when this happens. Which is quite a bit. Basically people's instinct to flee kicks in and they become hell-bent on escaping the situation until they adjust to it.
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