• Teenage boy who saved his mother from being raped dies
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I don't think I've ever read something that could have made me angrier than this. The degenerate scum was also a convicted murderer and has been released.
Genuinely teared up at this. Can't remember the last story that did that to me. Fuck man. Fuck.
To be honest, this seems like the better outcome. I doubt he would ever recover to become independent, and now at least the rapist can be sentenced for murder. Still completely heartbreaking of course.
Before the attack she had continually asked authorities to stop Pronin, a convicted murderer who had been released from prison, from living near her family upon release. This makes me mad.
Jesus fuck that's so horrifying
Perhaps you should allow the people involved to make that decision. I don't understand how a person who has committed a crime this heinous has only been sentenced to 14 years. I understand that the 14 years is for attempted murder, not this murder, but stabbing somebody twenty seven times is so clearly past the point where I'd feel comfortable having that person return to society any quicker than 25-30 years later.
This guy was a hero but man, this is genuinely fucking sad. I mean, this kid had a lot going for him. Even then, sentences aren't even long or painful enough to be justified most of the time anymore. I recently watched Coppers from a few years ago and remember this guy who killed someone's wife from dangerous driving didn't even get a prison sentence from death by dangerous driving but like 300 hours community service or something ridiculous like that. The guy should've definitely gotten a more painful sentence than just 14 years in prison, especially as a repeat offender.
Ya I have to agree. This is all around tragic and honestly with an injury like that, life wouldn't be worth living when the most important part of your brain missing. Shit, if that was my son I wouldn't even be able to look at him without feeling massively suicidal.
Uhm, what? I’m saying that now they can throw the perpetrator in a deep hole, instead of that 14 year sentence. I honestly don’t understand what your post has to do with anything.
Well, your post made it sound like you were saying it's better that he didn't pull through, and it looks as though other people interpreted your post that way too?
Most of your post didn't really seem to be about that, but you'd be correct - but please, define "pull through": https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185359/d0a55c5f-e47a-46ac-94e5-a7a3b03e101f/image.png What exactly was the hope here? His frontal lobes are supposed to be there, you know. And he died two months after contracting the flu, which hints that maybe he wasn't exactly jumping about. In the end all you've achieved is "pull a child" through nine months of coma, then let him suffer with an infection for a couple of months before eventually dying anyway. You told me to "allow the people involved to make that decision", and beyond the obvious fact that I literally can't do anything but that, who really took the decisions here? The mother was probably in surgery while the boy was, and obviously he himself couldn't make any decisions. Chances are, a doctor decided that they would do surgery, and even then, asking any family what they would want the surgeon to do is more of an illusion of choice - do you tell the family that they could survive? Or do you tell them that they'll be unable to do pretty much anything themselves for the rest of their life, while also having their personality (if there is one left) changed due to brain damage. What the surgeon decides to tell the family is basically what their decision is gonna be. And who really decided that he should be kept alive during the coma? This whole case has been widely publicised, it would seem, and I can easily see the newspaper articles: "Ungrateful mother discontinues feeding of comatose child hero". The mother has had no real possibility of making any choices here, and the child even less so. Of course, I don't know Russian, and I don't have access to the kid's journal (maybe he really was on due course for a miraculous improvement) - but as a future doctor, I honestly can't see much of a point in pulling a kid through hell just to have them live a life dependent on others with little or (more likely, perhaps) no autonomy. In my view, that would be forcing something onto the kid, as they have no way of saying no, and might never have it. I'm not trying to blame the family involved in any way, because these choices are almost impossible for them to make. But perhaps that neurosurgeon should've opened up, looked at the damage, and said "No, we'll stop here". I'd like to hear why you feel it's inappropriate to question this to be honest. I'd also recommend you read "Do no harm" by Henry Marsh - it's a good read regardless of where you stand on the issue.
I agree, the kid died 19 months ago, but his heart stopped beating recently
Read up on a man called Phineas Gage. His frontal lobe was totally destroyed and he actually survived for quite a while with the majority of his intellect intact. All I was suggesting is that it's not really fair for us to judge whether or not it's a good thing that he died, because his mother is likely to have wanted him to live, and how are we to know the extent to which his mental faculties were harmed? Phineas Gage's personality drastically changed after his injury, but he was surprisingly able-bodied. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242634/f2718186-da52-4c8f-8da2-1dabcbe9dd8f/image.png
I know of Phineas Gage, and you're discounting the fact that Gage wasn't found unconscious and unresponsive: "Gage was thrown onto his back and gave some brief convulsions of the arms and legs, but spoke within a few minutes, walked with little assistance, and sat upright in an oxcart for the 3⁄4-mile (1.2 km) ride to his lodgings in town.[H]:5 About 30 minutes after the accident physician Edward H. Williams, finding Gage sitting in a chair outside the hotel, was greeted with "one of the great understatements of medical history":[M5]:244 When I drove up he said, "Doctor, here is business enough for you." I first noticed the wound upon the head before I alighted from my carriage, the pulsations of the brain being very distinct. The top of the head appeared somewhat like an inverted funnel, as if some wedge-shaped body had passed from below upward. Mr. Gage, during the time I was examining this wound, was relating the manner in which he was injured to the bystanders. I did not believe Mr. Gage's statement at that time, but thought he was deceived. Mr. Gage persisted in saying that the bar went through his head. Mr. G. got up and vomited; the effort of vomiting pressed out about half a teacupful of the brain [through the exit hole at the top of the skull], which fell upon the floor.[19]" That's a very obvious early sign that nothing too important has been injured. There's a reason why Gage is held up as an example still today - it's because he was an exception. Of course it happens, but doctors don't exist to make you believe in miracles. And is it really that likely that his mother would've wanted him alive? Per the story, she rarely visited him (if ever), and she has turned to alcoholism. As far as I can tell, his brother was taking care of him. Not wanting other people to survive is incredibly taboo, you really can't expect people to answer much else than "of course I want them to survive", especially when the case is so public.
It breaks my heart knowing that this kind of stuff still happens regularly all over the world.
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