PewDiePie gives shout out to hateful, anti-Semitic YouTube channel - Sensationalist Headlines

1. His audience tracker doesn't show below18 on the demographics. 2. PewDiePie got his start and hit it big 10 years ago. Do the math.

I thought E;Rs movie reviews were funny and informative with a bit of edge on the side. I never heard of him being a full on "nazi fan boy".

shouldn't you be making threads about the shoes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wore yesterday?

At least I know *my* favorite anime reviewer will never let me dow- Oh no! How could you JewH88r420? I thought you were just being ironic!

I miss DemolitionD.

PewDiePie definitely gets more media attention than other folks when stuff like this happens, but I think a part of that is fed by a discomfort in critically examining where non explicitly political media always still engages with society at large and can never be fully divorced from politics. The discomfort there drives controversy and controversy makes the news bigger, which in turn brings people to interact with a story that they aren't fully familiar with. There's been plenty of times Fox News, CNN, etc have brought on or endorsed some truly terrible ideas/people and when it gets pointed most folks are willing to engage with it more seriously because of an expectation that we should hold those institutions accountable. E;R openly discusses attempting to draw his audience to the "Jewish Question" through comedy in his work and criticizing when a shout-out is given to that platform from who's potentially the largest new media figure should also become an expectation. The impact and intent should be considered when criticizing. Intent is always notoriously hard to pinpoint, and this can certainly be a place of discussion here, however the impact of promoting someone - who again is actively attempting to draw his audience to the "Jewish Question" - cannot be simply dismissed. Though it is super frustrating to see the attention and outcry of clamping down on speech that cases like this get while plenty of examples of institutional attacks on free speech occur with near complete silence.

me: wow this thread has quite a lot of replies this page: it's hardly surprising that antisemitism is at an all time Jews also took part in the slave trade to a lesser extent having a rabbi suck the blood out of the babies dick ok then

I'm not attacking you personally dude. You don't have to get so offended when someone disagrees with something you're saying. You can 'not like' Jordan Peterson like you say, but that doesn't give you any more authority on the subject nor does it absolve your ideas from criticism if they're incorrect. People would engage with you better if you didn't get so hung up about it. You said you don't like him, that's fine. You're not being attacked. The falsehood that he's some sort of liberal lefty is being attacked. The way you get so personal leads you into being invested in it, whether you 'don't like him' or not.

I can’t say I keep up with pdp much these days, and while the frequency of these issues is concerning it just suggests he’s irresponsible more than an actually bad person, especially if he is willing to admit his fault and redact the mistake.

Yeah, nah. I think he's already made his "outlook and opinions" pretty clear.

Get off the internet

The problem is, he serves as an entry to the far right for people who are moderate or clueless. The humor and the discussion of pop culture are just a means to get you to stay and inevitably listen and perhaps believe far right conspiracies. This tactic has become common for nazis and they are successfully luring in teenagers, because edgy memes are trendy. It's actually funny how few people know and understand this, when that information has seeped out of right wing circles a couple of times. I feel something of a rush from watching his videos. It's like reading from some "forbidden book". Yup, that's exactly what the 16 year old children think, who come into contact with material like that. This from the Daily Stormer for example https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242862/75769ae5-4d6f-4c56-b4f1-26f4641d119a/Bildschirmfoto 2018-12-12 um 13.30.22.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242862/83a257cd-5439-411c-aa9b-dc0249b13c20/Bildschirmfoto 2018-12-12 um 13.31.13.png And surprise surprise, what does E;R do? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242862/7371ae94-0732-4b4b-9bd7-e5c6d9023c9c/DuFE7zFUUAA6qGG.jpg-large.jpeg That some individuals disregard it as harmless actually proves how effective this strategy is. Don't be naive.

genuinely finding it difficult to understand why people don't see why the most subscribed person on YouTube with a fanbase of impressionable kids shouting out Nazis, calling someone a nigger on stream and getting some indian people to say anti-semitic shit is bad when he did the fiverr video it looked like a mistake, but this seems to happen every other month now

Yes, but only if you ignore the fact the last time it happened was over a year ago.

genuinely finding it difficult to understand why people don't see why the most subscribed person on YouTube's behaviour has been super fucking misrepresented and over-analysed to an annoying level. of your examples, Explained that he didn't do background checks into the youtubers he shouted out, because he shouted out this gentlemen in particular for an ANIME REVIEW he did. You're being ludicrous if you suggest the reasonable person would watch an anime review and proceed to go, "Hmmmmm better check this guy doesn't fantasize about a Fourth Reich" Apologised. Doesn't have an excuse for this, but it very clearly did not have some deep-seated racist reasoning behind it. Edgy/shock humour, and to test the limits of what people will do. You don't have to find it funny, but that doesn't mean you can start psychoanalysing why he did it. I don't think he was trying to radicalise the youth...via fiverr. Pewdiepie will always be in the public eye because he's the most subscribed YouTuber. If anyone else did this stuff, people wouldn't try to stir the pot half as much. Stop using shit like this as weak evidence in your weird conspiracy theories.

how do you even glance at the description of the video here linked and think "yes, this is a reasonable person"

That's not what "reasonable person" means. It's an objective test. Also, even if the description was a copy of an Enoch Powell speech, I don't see how it would have any relevance. It's been established that the majority of Pewdiepie's fans are no longer easily-swayed brainwashed twelvies so I expect they'll see an anime review for what it is: an anime review. How they choose to interpret E;R's content beyond that is of their own volition, and it's nothing more than desperate stretching to say that Pewdiepie would thus be responsible for ~ spreading Anti-Semitic doctrine ~ Well, I mean, your alternative is "EXPOSED! SECRET RACIST GAMER!". Which sounds more ludicrous?

Explained that he didn't do background checks into the youtubers he shouted out, because he shouted out this gentlemen in particular for an ANIME REVIEW he did. You're being ludicrous if you suggest the reasonable person would watch an anime review and proceed to go, "Hmmmmm better check this guy doesn't fantasize about a Fourth Reich" He didn‘t even have to check all of his videos, because the one he recommended already had an alt right conspiracy theory in it. It was about how Heather Heyer, the person who died due to being run over by the car, actually died because of a heart attack instead. As in, she died because of the shock of the incident. Not the car crash itself. Because of that the alt right argued James Alex Fields Jr., the perpetartor, does not deserve a life sentence. That‘s all bullshit though, because the medics on that day said themselves she died from the impact. What a very niche thing to „joke“ about. He didn‘t see any red flags?

I think you're kind of dodging the point with exaggeration here. PDP does not have to be a PG channel. He just needs to not promote nazis. E;R is a nazi. He specifically states that he jokes about alt right talking points to mainstream them. As a media persona, PDP is expected to at the very least not look like he supports nazis. You cannot separate the alt right content in E;Rs videos from the critical review. They are meant to be part and parcel.

5 pages because of 1 dude being disagreed with by most of the thread, then getting banned but sure paint everyone with the same brush also lots of genuinely thought-provoking talk, and plenty of different perspectives on various facets of media influence and politics this is outrage culture? there's some culture here for sure, but the only one who seems to live off nothing but outrage is you and your one-dimensional wannabe redpill shtick

having a huge audience means you need to take responsibility.

You don't need to quote entire sections of wikipedia articles if you have a link to the article itself.

Well it looks like that didn't work, let's find new things to yell at pewdiepie about. https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status/1072505665049018368 What I don't understand is that they do have legitimate reasons to give him gripe, but then they exaggerate it to the point where they looked stupid as hell. He obviously didn't laugh at his name, but laugh at the Team Kill. But they could actually give pewdiepie actual criticism for what's going on in this clip. THIS VIDEO IS NOT LIVE. The editor had a choice to keep this in or not. even when I don't have much of an audience when I edit my videos , or when I edit videos for other people I have a choice as an editor.Most of the videos I edit are videos about Fortnite or CSGO, I cut out parts with people in 1488 in there names and other such nature, even though they said or done something funny, I think it's best to keep them out of the video. He could've have gone from that angle and I would have respected that tweet, but he didn't. His dm's were open so I asked him that so let's see if he even responds.

holy shit that ratio https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/0c45f5d2-5880-4506-8d46-704fe00ee0ee/image.png

Why? He corrected it once he found out, what more do you want? These clickbait media types are just vultures looking to boost themselves off pewdiepies back creating these complete non-controversies.

Man for an incident that people are apparently only reporting on for outrage clicks, a lot of weirdo online nazi groups like how he pushes "anti-sjw" sentiment and make people more comfortable with bigoted "jokes". Its almost as if being ignorant absolves you of jack shit and there's such thing as being a useful idiot. And it doesn't even matter if his audience isn't mostly children, 20 year old losers can still have their awful views reinforced or be introduced to far right shit just as easily.

His 'correction' played the same clip twice and he goes on the defensive for his actions. All he had to do was denounce Nazism and he struggled to do even that. Pewdiepie platforming Nazi propaganda isn't a non-controversy, it directly feeds people into the anti-sjw alt-right pipeline. Maybe he should just learn that he has a responsibility to who he platforms?

The way I see it is that PewDiePie is just a regular guy that happened to make it big. A lot of people see that power and expect him to fulfill whatever obligations to the public, like being a role model. Despite the fact that these obligations are 100% imaginary past meeting YouTube's standards, he still gives a helping hand to smaller YouTube channels, charities, and whatever else I can't think of. And yet, that's not enough. He's been elected as the representative of YouTube, and as a result he's now apparently supposed to protect children (read: YOUR children) from harmful content. That's fucked. But even then, he still tries as a normal human being. He went back and made a redaction. He's been toning down his edgy humor because he knows the effect it has on YouTube and the population. But it's never enough. The real solution to this problem is external to PewDiePie. Parents need to get involved with their kids and actually watch the development of their world view. They're supposed to encourage some level of trust with their parents so that they can ask questions and share their feelings. Parents are also supposed to be aware of the content their kids are consuming. PewDiePie is a distant guy in this situation, fucking up because how the fuck does anyone else manage the same position he's got? All eyes are on him and not the fucking kids. That shit is legitimately offensive to me, because I thought we were all past the "kids listening/playing/watching X makes them Y and it's Z's fault" mentality. If some kid turns into a Nazi after watching PewDiePie's content, BLAME THE PARENTS. There's an actual transition that needs to happen, and with all the people saying PewDiePie should have seen the signs, why are people ignoring the missed signs by the parent? Furthermore, if kids saw that content on PewDiePie's reccomendation, what are the odds that they saw PewDiePie's subsequent disavowel?

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/169870/c1097105-32ff-4b0f-ad24-0b4f269ccc5e/image.png If I say "This picture is pretty good" in a vacuum, does it mean I have to explicitly state I'm not a nazi otherwise everyone just assumes that I am? And then at every subsequent picture discussion put up a warning in every post saying "Attention everyone: I am not a nazi"? Just to be clear, this is a serious question.

Yeah, pretty much this. What else is Pewdiepie supposed to do other than disavow and be more careful in the future? I think it's an honest slip-up, that channel doesn't look too bad at a glance. Looking closer at it there's some p. big red flags, but I doubt someone who doesn't give much of a shit about politics and specific references would see anything out of the ordinary. I think it's reasonable to expect people to vet the content they promote when they have such a massive platform, though. It's not an enforceable obligation, no, it's just common sense. If you were next to your kid, nephew, or younger brother, and the Minecraft streamer they were watching suddenly quoted a misinformed tabloid article because it was funny, then recommended the outlet, it's fair to call that irresponsible. Parents have a lot of influence over their children in all cases, content creators have influence ranging from "pure entertainment" to "subtle politics" all the way to "I live my life after the teachings of this influencer". They can't control how other people's children are raised, but they are responsible for the content they make, and if you think no one looks to entertainers for their views, I'd point to every damn time the "jokes shouldn't be taken seriously" defense gets supported by... a clip of Louis CK, making a joke, with a serious point behind it. There's cases and cases, people. All I'm saying is yeah, parents shouldn't shift undue blame for their own failings onto entertainment. They have the most power, on the scale of the individual relationship. But influence over millions is power too, even if only 1% of your fanbase takes you seriously, that's a few hundred households, if not thousands. I think it's reasonable to expect some responsibility and scrutinize when there is none. I also think it's reasonable for us to talk more about critical thinking skills in society. Because we live in one. Made by gang weed