• Teacher refused to use trans student's pronouns, school fires him.
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Eh, no point now, I made the edit but I've been rated dumb already, it's set in stone, those who rate dumb never turn it around, they'd rather be stubborn like the guy this thread is about.
I don't dislike transgender people, and I'm not arguing for the teacher, I'm just saying he's probably not the vicious nazi he's being made out to be. Gay people have gotten gradual acceptance in the mainstream over the last 40-50 years or so, but we started talking about trans people in the mainstream right after obergefell v. hodges. It just showed up in the public consciousness one day and most people are still struggling with it
https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.hellogiggles.com%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F04%2F08115021%2Ftwitter-squinting-girl-meme-e1523213473157.jpg Do you have a neuorlogical disorder or something and can't stick to a single point? Or are you that far gone mentally.
Look guys, there's always that one person who comes into these kinds of threads and has no fucking clue what he's on about and like the guy the thread is about, is a stubborn arsehole, you can try and tell him he's wrong, but he ain't having any of it, he won't act an adult and admit he doesn't know what he's on about, he'll carry on acting like a child. Basically, stop replying to him and ignore him, if he replies to you, ignore him, doesn't matter what he says, don't response to a dumb shit.
What part you didn't understand? You say that being called what you want is basic decency. I say call me God Someone else said I can't prove I'm god I said I don't have to prove that I'm god because transgender people don't have to prove their gender, I shouldn't have to prove I'm a god either You said god wasn't a gender I said I wasn't referring to god as a gender.
Pretty much, growing up in a Christian community too, the students here were a lot more accepting than any of the adults. Had that one teacher who calls you the spawn of the devil for not doing homework, because if you don't do your homework you don't love Jesus. Everyone hated him. Don't expect the school to do anything about it though, but the students are capable enough to just cut through his bullshit. We did have cool teachers though, the ones that respect the decisions of the students, even if they are not in total agreement, which happens, but it's not God hates anyone for doing so. The first book of the bible emphasises the freedom we have to make decisions for ourselves, and the first book of the new testiment covers the acceptance of the Father. But not everyone understands that, and it sucks
Trans people can be proven to be transgender because we have medically backed ways to determine if said person suffers from GID. No one can prove you're a god because theres literally no scientific way to prove you are a god. Also you flipped again, you said you want your pronound to be god, but then say you mean a name, then back again as a pronoun with saying you dont have to prove it, then back to it being a name. Again, do you legitimately have a neuorlogical disorder that causes you to believe in two opposing points simultaneously?
Like I said, I came into the thread expecting something like a reasonable teacher and a student overstepping matters, then the school firing the teacher to completely avoid any negative PR on an issue that's currently on the spotlight everywhere, but after reading the article the man comes off as a douche. He specifically made it clear he would refuse to call the person by what they would rather be called, which is why the school moved to disciplinary action. The article also mentions his solution of 'mutual tolerance' which isn't mutual in the least. He continues to not treat the person how they want to be treated and gives nothing for it. Most teachers I've had have no problem just using your name instead of pronouns. It's just jarring to me the overall tone the man takes, because complaining that he might be at risk of losing his job for having views held by "most of the world for most of human history" is nothing short of an excuse, one thing is struggling with the matter but trying, the other is saying 'it's always been like this and I refuse it on principle'. Especially when the next paragraph talks about him considering legal appeal over First Amendment rights. He has no right whatsoever to disrespect his students if he wants to keep his job. 'Do your job or get fired' is not coercion. Jobs have responsabilities.
I never said pronoun. I just said "Call me god" in the same way you said someone could come to you and say "call me catmonkey the 5th"
Oh no he said him instead of her, what a hair raising experience... All he had to do was literally call him by a male pronoun, and thats it. This is literaly "but muh faith"
No, he said he's dropping the female pronoun and calling the student by name. Why is that not enough?
Yeah, I agree, imagine thinking that religion gives you the right to be an asshole to someone? Absolutely absurd.
I'm glad you're arguing with this very specific strawman you constructed and not actual transgender or nonbinary people. Admittedly I've seen some silly stuff but most of that came down to people with some very specific underlying issues, otherwise most nonbinary just don't want to be called she or him or don't consider specific binary gender labels applicable to them. I take hormones, but I don't have some super ardent desire to be a girl and be seen as one, but I definitely want to be "not-male." I just go by they/them and consider myself an enby femboy, so I still kind of scale myself on the gender binary lol. Hardly "catmonkey the 5th".
But then you brought up trans pronouns which has nothing to do with nicknames in how they are chosen. I was comparing the effort of calling someone by their preferred nickname as one's pronouns. But i guess that point flew so far over your head that you decided to latch a strawman and make no sense for an entire page.
You misunderstand Christianity, Jesus was a cunt plenty of times, Paul even more to the point of putting gay people on par with murders. This kind of shit is absolutely within christian standards.
This is pretty blatantly stupid argumentation. Transgender people have have to go through doctors and medical counseling and hundreds of steps. you just have to be a jackass to say you’re god though
But what is the harassment? Not calling someone any pronoun? Calling people by their name? Elaborate on that. When was Jesus a cunt? Christianity which is the religion that says "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself" and "Do to others as you would have them do to you".
I told the guy he should stop digging his hole, but he wouldn't listen. :shrug:
And also the religion where Jesus said "it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven"? The religion where jesus said "Sell your cloak, buy a sword"? You know, functioning off of ignorance of the religion you advocate for doesn't help your case.
Okay, the content of his speech was him being a disrespectful, insulting cunt. So he deserves to be fired even based on your technicality.
It's not as a general advice for life. He wasn't preaching. He needed the Romans to believe he was a criminal. "‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment" He basically wanted to be considered a criminal.
I mean he's the one who introduced the idea of hell, he also made delightful comments such as ”If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” – Luke 14:26 Which while it isn't actually saying to hate your parents, the actual message is essentially that you should put following him above all else, even your own family. Jesus was very much okay with the idea of those following him pissing off those around them. If anything the guy in this article is following this verse to the T by not putting the approval of others above his beliefs. I can somewhat sympathise with the man in the article and in my religious past was put in similar situations myself, it's difficult when you're put between what you see as displeasing your god and the approval of others. It's a really shitty feeling. On the other hand, I really don't think these people are fit to be in jobs like teaching, kids don't need to be bashed around the head by religious people, particularly not trans students who're already vulnerable to mental health issues as a result of mistreatment from others.
He's not ignoring any pronoun. He's just not going to use any pronoun and call the student by his name.
Which he does to avoid calling the student by his pronoun. How hard is this to understand?
So just calling someone by their name is harassing?
If it is done to avoid acknowledging their gender, yes. Again, this is not rocket science, and I believe you're being intentionally obtuse to dodge the point.
don't compare being tolerant of things you don't like/don't understand/don't empathize with with brainwashing. and there's plenty of older people who aren't racist/homophobic/transphobic/etc. and they weren't "brainwashed" in their youth.
I think there's an important discussion to be had about the moral and social obligations to refer to people exactly as they want you to, and where the line is drawn -- I'm probably not going to refer to someone as "xhe", ever, and probably just avoid using pronouns to refer to said person altogether. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect others to refer to you as a man or a woman when you appear to be the opposite. There's a huge difference between asking to be called "she" even if you don't look or seem like a woman, and asking to be called "xhe" even though you don't look or seem like... well, whatever the fuck "xhe" is supposed to be. This person is a teacher. They should respect, at minimum, the desire to be called a pronoun this teacher already uses. This is not a made-up pronoun, it's not new, it's not crazy. You already use this pronoun.
I think the answer to that is if a person asks you to call them something for a pronoun, then it's up to you what to call them, but they have the right to think you're a dick for bit doing it. In this case the teacher was fired because you shouldn't be such a dick to your students
But there is a line -- because if I were to say "you have to call me belthatrax", you definitely wouldn't. There's a line after which it's not reasonable to expect someone to address you in the exact way that you request. I think it's rather reasonable to set that line at the point where you want a unique pronoun as opposed to a pronoun that already exists.
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