Louis C.K. Mocks Parkland Survivors, LGBTQ Teens in Leaked Standup Audio - Sensationalist Headlines

Offensive humour has always been something I've enjoyed, but this guys set is honestly pretty tone deaf. For starters, It's just not that edgy anymore. I could find this kind of material on any dumb facebook meme page for teenagers- and they would probably have executed the gag in a way that would have at least got a guilty chuckle out of me. Secondly, he just seems to be spending his whole bit punching down. You want to use your comedy to take people down a peg, that's great, fuck knows there are people out there who need it. but when you are targeting.... school shooting survivors and vulnerable people? Like, what's the point? great job mate you picked on people who already have it pretty fucking rough, it just comes off as joining in with a group of bullies as opposed to saying anything clever or shocking. What line are you crossing by picking on people who already have so much hatred levelled at them? what's shocking about joining in with vitriol that's already so prevalent? Honestly, I have a feeling the dude just realised he's going to be remembered as the public masturbation guy, and decided to try and pander to the moronic anti-pc idiots to try and scrape back some relevance. Those guys don't give a fuck if you go down for sex crimes, so long as it pissed off the god damn liberals!!!.

I first read this article and thought, even if that's 'just a joke', there's no way the typical Louis CK delivery can make it funny. But then I listened to the audio of the new material and it honestly felt like any other Louis CK show. Louis has always had tons of jokes that basically boil down to that one ".. but maybe" bit, the whole point is to present obviously outrageous ideas in a believable and funny way. The way I interpret it here, the joke is that Louis himself is from a "crazy" generation, and he was looking forward to becoming the rational old guy looking down on the crazy youth, so now he's feeling indignant because they're not. I'll agree the bit isn't great, but seriously it's a bog standard Louis CK joke.

I find people do this a lot with guys like John Oliver too. They'll present segments from Last Week Tonight or The Daily Show as legitimate journalism, but the second you point out the extreme bias in their arguments and the fact that any clips they use are heavily edited, it's "well it's not a news show, they're just comedians". Nothing wrong with enjoying comedic political commentary, but people need to understand their own biases they're overlooking in their haste to present a resource that's more concerned with being an entertaining mic drop on the people they disagree with than it is a legitimately credible source. People who get annoyed by social justice stuff using this as a rebuttal ("lol, Louis CK sure dunked on those gender-neutral snowflakes!") are no different from all the progressives in 2016 who went around shouting "HIS REAL LAST NAME IS 'DRUMPF', HOW WILL HE EVER RECOVER???" ad-nauseum. Comedy is comedy and if you find it funny or appreciate the wisdom of legitimately intelligent guys like Carlin and Chappelle, that's all well and good, but we need to learn to stop stripping the inherently comedic context comedy comes packaged in just so we can feel extra clever when debating certain issues.

Is it THAT hard to think about it in any term that isn't "but..... but joke!!"? You don't gotta be outraged, just stop turning your brain off whenever the topic is comedy Yes, he does entertainment. How many people watch Fox News because it's entertaining? How many people watched Jon Stewart because he was entertaining? Cultural notions don't pop out of thin air, public opinion is often shaped by what are very public people, giants such as CK who, before being outed as a power-tripping psycho, was far and wide recognized as America's biggest comedian of the 2000s and 2010s. You'd have a point if all his gags were the pie-in-face variety, that's "just a joke" through and through. While Louis does have plenty of pointless humor, he also has tons of this https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/172/c58836f1-af90-44b9-9207-c26ce3d69e45/image.png and this https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/172/66e5a71e-054e-4ce6-a657-f6ae4e839ccd/image.png and this https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/172/bcc39759-09a0-4a1e-99d5-dcde3133d0ea/image.png You know, jokes that would make zero fucking sense if they didn't have truth behind them? Like virtually all stand-up comedians have? The kind the ones in this leaked routine - IMO - are clearly supposed to be? Criticism isn't censorship. People are just saying his jokes are bad, and, because of the gigantic amount of influence Louis amassed in his career, harmful. They ain't forcing him to do anything. He can say it all he wants, and I can say all I want about how pathetic it is that the guy who, for over a decade, enjoyed being at the top of the game, can use his position in the industry to take advantage of multiple, honest professionals, force his exhibitionism onto them behind closed doors and put them in situations where rape is an imminent fear, and then STILL get defended as the poor little underdog fighting the good fight, when he's nothing more than a millionaire mocking vulnerable targets behind the safety of his comedy club contacts. I'll keep criticizing him as long as I want, thanks

To be fair, he does sorta have some unintentional points he made (which I don't think he intended to make) that actually make somewhat sense. not in a suit saying, ‘I’m here to tell’… fuck you. You’re not interesting cause you went to a high school where kids got shot. I remember seeing these kids in court telling a judge how hard it was for them to go through a school shooting and listing off reasons why they hate guns. First thing that jumped in my mind when I saw this was "Why the fuck are you trying to convince a nation that they shouldn't have guns when a majority of the population disagrees with you no matter how many shootings happen?" and also "Why are you making it about you?" All they did was talk about how the shooting affected THEM while completely disregarding families of people who actually died in the shooting. So while I doubt this is the point he intended to make, it does actually make some sense even if it is in poor taste I guess...

it's kind of why stuff like ren and stimpy isn't exactly funny anymore. It was something new and edgy a decade or two ago, but it kind of just moved on.

They made that point, about how it effected THEM because they were the SURVIVORS. They have to live with trauma of having witnessed that shit. How the fuck are we failing to recognize that these kids were kind of fed up with watching other young people die, while powerful people who COULD do things, do NOTHING. But sure, make it about THEM. Not like they survived a god damn massacre.

they're just really shit jokes, his punchline for the nonbinary joke was literally "I fucked ur mom in the cunt hahaha" and his shooting joke boiled down to "you got shot at in school lol who cares amma right!!" like, sure he's making fun of minorities and everyone is fair game in comedy but at least make them good jokes lmao

Todd Howard could have pooped in each individual fallout 76 box and my point would have been the same.

still would be as related a comparison as the taste of apples to the quality of a conversation about cars

To me it boiled down to "You got shot at in school, that does not make you an inspirational person".

still not funny either way tbh

Why does that mean I have to listen to you? How does that make you interesting? You didn’t get shot. You pushed some fat kid in the way and now I got to listen to you talking?” Yeah, this really says that and nothing else.

Yeah, that is what it says there. He phrases it in a very bad and edgy way, but that seems to be what he's trying to convey. I don't agree with it though.

pretty sure thats not his twitter.

Yeah I'm not offended at the jokes, they just weren't funny. And punching down is almost always a bad idea.

louis CK is a manbaby and his woe-is-me tweets support that opinion. where is the accountability and self-reflection he claimed he was going to commit to? instead we get "fuck your feelings" and his pathetic self-victimization on Twitter. comedy doesn't make you or your jokes immunue from criticism, especially if they're inherently shit and serve no purpose other than to degrade actual victims.

Where is this from ?

Some random on Facebook, actually. If you care, I can dig the post up for you.

Nah, just wondering.

those aren't his tweets i dont know why you dopes keep falling for this. Twitter implemented the blue check mark for a reason.

So, I watched the full show and I feel like this is getting a bit... out of hand? Yeah, he's clearly kicking at different targets, but these jokes are just standard Louis CK. Inject his delivery and it's no different from his old stuff. The man joked about how maybe we should let kids with peanut allergies just die because maybe they weren't meant to be alive. He has no filter, it's part of what made him funny. He's controversial. I dunno. I feel like this article takes a lot of what he says out of context and out of delivery, and that's how you ruin stand-up. You take George Carlin's work and type it out and it sounds like the ramblings of a bitter old man with an attitude-problem, and while that's true in itself it becomes vastly different once you inject his delivery. Same with Ricky Gervais, same with really any comedian in my experience.

https://youtu.be/1RjBH9psCPI

because it aligns with their preconceived notions.

That's the problem that none of his defenders seem to pick up on. Dude got accused of sexual misconduct, admitted to it and after spending that time out of the spotlight, he continues like nothing's happened. It makes his apology look completely fake and shows that he hasn't learned anything from the ordeal.

i'm not really sure what this video of a guy screaming at the camera about how "political correctness is ruining comedy!" (and how comedy is immune to criticism, didn't you know?) adds to the discussion it's the same tired schtick we've heard a thousand times before. for some reason we're not allowed to complain about this 51 year old man punching down so hard he's going to throw his back out, just because "oh it's just jokes!"

You know you've reached peak boomer when you're complaining about kids today not doing things that you want to complain about.

You sure are going to get people to listen to you when you openly go "I'm not going to listen to you". People sure do like to have lectures, more than conversations these days.

But then that sort of raises the question of "when is enough enough". I was a huge fan of his and it broke my heart to hear that he was secretly a huge creep, but I don't think that means he should be banned from comedy forever. He clearly jumped the gun on this comeback, considering the way people are reacting, but it's not like there's a way to quantify "okay, enough time has passed, we can laugh at you and have it be okay again", you know? I'm not ready to laugh at him again, but I can't really blame the guy for trying. I feel like it would be totally valid to dislike this because he did a fucked up thing not too long ago and it feels too soon for him to be staging his big comeback. I honestly kinda agree with that, I find myself skipping over his best bits on my comedy Pandora station because it still feels uncomfortable. But then you've got people saying "well he shouldn't be telling these jokes because they're in poor taste and make light of something I think is serious" and that's kind of a bullshit excuse, because 1) he's always been this offensive, he was just making fun of shit you were okay with seeing mocked before, and 2) the idea that comedians shouldn't make fun of certain things in certain ways sets a gross precedent. If you don't think the jokes are funny, that's perfectly fine, but that also doesn't really justify this blowing up into a massive news story, you know?

I dunno if I agree. I read his apology. The last two sentences, on their own, could definetely be construed to contradict with his current attitude in comedy, but as a larger whole I feel like the apology was aimed mostly at the people he hurt and his behavior as a person in the past. I don't think he's adressing his style of comedy. The comedian you see on the stage is an exaggeration. It's an act. Just like how Bo Burnham is actually very drawn back and relaxed off-stage, or Ricky Gervais is a liberal philanthropist off-stage.