Logan Paul faces backlash after saying he will 'go gay for a month'
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if you think 10 year olds aren't impressionable and easy to influence then you sure have a good grasp on life
if my 10 year based his entire moral outlook on life on logan paul videos then i'd have failed as a parent.
maybe we should shield all children from the dangers of people in general.
thanks for putting words in my mouth, i don't think we should shield kids from everything and i don't think this is the biggest thing to happen in the western world, tho. i just think being willingly ignorant of how social influencers attain - you guessed it - social influence, is stupid. no different than people who think they're immune to advertising because they don't instantly want to buy burger king when they see a commercial. being openly uneducated on purpose is not my style, but w/e man, you life your life however you want
what does this mean???
and why are we supposed to control this??
I'm legitimately baffled by the amount of dick-riding I'm seeing. You're argument to the post saying he has an extremely large audience and did a bad is seriously, "not everybody watches every video." Bro is he serving up the same kool-aid the trumpets are drinking or what?
Okay lets make a comparison. Let's say star wars actor John Boyega starts tweeting things like, "God I love cocaine. Try cocaine if you havent." or "men should never cry feelings are for bitches" or something like that. Not every kid watches star wars. Not every kid likes Finn and not every kid that likes Finn likes John Boyega. You shouldn't get your morals from the actor of a character you like either, but that doesn't make it okay and everybody knows that if that shit was happening Disney would shut it the fuck down. And even if you weren't offended by the things he said, you could still understand why you can't say things like that when you're in the position you are.
I really wish Youtube moderation wasn't so shit, otherwise he and many other youtubers would have lost their accounts long ago. These people are responsible of propagating so many problems into the newer generations.
you don't even know the term?
I can understand trying to 'go gay' as a decision but I feel you're at least slightly bisexual if you can even begin to entertain that notion.
but the thing is, he's just saying this. Look at his face - he's not phased by his public image. No publicity like ANY publicity
i am very sure boyega has said some shit in the past at some point.
disney would only shut it down because they would lose face, not because they "care for the children".
so far the only argument here is that logan paul is fuelling homophobic bullying. but by closing down one stupid joke, the effect is so miniscule it doesn't warrant a massive tabloid story.
it is more baffling that people think this guy has that much power.
ok which "social influencer" worked on you when you were growing up?
i listened to eminem as a teenager, thus i must be homophobic, taking drugs, mysoginistic and the rest of it. or maybe I realised he wasn't serious.
Have you heard of the new craze sweeping the world called advertising?
Yeah, and there are a LOT of fucking terrible parents out there.
It was a random example I riffed. It doesn't matter what this actor has or has not said, come on you know this.
I never said they care for the children so I'm not sure why you're using quotes there.
You know that meme where it says "oh no what if we create a better planet for nothing" ? Weigh the worst cases: Potentially millions of people affected vs Logan has to find a new job.
Are we talking about the same Paul brothers? The ones that go around giving talks about how much power they have? The ones that went to investors as ex-viners and scored enough funding to build Team10? Almost as if they convinced some stuffy suit types that their vine memes held enough sway over people that they could convince millions of them to buy merch?
yes, and he is getting it for free thanks to the media.
Eminem is not what's meant with the word influencer.
Influencer are people on social media who promote products or ideas, they try to influence their audience by talking them into buying said shit.
So either you are younget than 16 or you didn't even grow up with any influencers since it's a very recent phenomenon.
Watch him claim to be Bi in an attempt to make everyone feel bad.
Hip Hop didn't interact with its audience, but nice try.
What? No it isn't, and telling kids to do it fooling them for a quick buck from a sponsor is disgusting.
Youtube is to Logan Paul what the congress is to Trump.
i am glad someone responded to this issue because people spam ratings.
every sporting event i have seen is sponsored by gambling commissions and recently there is a very large monopoly that these companies are gaining.
all i can see is growth on their part and it becoming much more a norm but thats foreshadowing. at this stage, kids are already surrounded by gambling.. in this place anyway
My thought was: Man infamous for amount of influence says homophobic thing > some percentage of the millions of fans repeat the homophobic thing around a gay person > this affects people in real life.
In hindsight maybe you're right and it's literally impossible for there to be negative consequences for Logan's actions. I must be delusional.
Okay, but imagine if gambling was suddenly in a show aimed at tweens. Logan Paul understands who his audience is, he's even said so himself and he gave a clear age range. Just because kids are surrounded by gambling (in content not directly targeting them - mind you), that makes it okay for other media to do it as well?
Imagine if Sesame Street suddenly started a segment where they open loot boxes. It sounds slightly more bizarre, but really Logan Paul is like Sesame Street in terms of influence for the 9-14 age group.
"It's bad so it's fine to make it worse" is not really a good argument. We should still hold douchebags like Logan to a standard where they don't promote vices to their provable easily impressionable audience. Selling his merch and other products to kids is what has gotten him successful in the first place.
"Gay for a month" isn't a thing, this is a publicity stunt. He's dressing up as something he's not for a bit which doesn't give me the strongest hope that he'll go an entire month of doing bits about being gay without saying something homophobic.
It usually isn't, or it may never be, but are you implying that a seemingly heterosexual person - with only prior heterosex-partners - is physically incapable of having a homosexual experience?
Perhaps things aren't so black and white, after all. Surely, I could have sex with another man, stay erect and so on, if I put my mind into it? I mean, my point is, this is not exact science, or is it?
when logan paul visited the UK people threw rocks at him here so unless he's some sort of leader of a cult in the US i dont believe it
Fuck if he want to shag men in his spare time more power to him
Who cares? Anyone can do anything with dem willys and butts
Maybe he's bi. Who know, it's his private life. But that's not the issue.
The issue here is that he PUBLICLY announcing, as a self-proclaimed heterosexual man with no prior indication of being bi, that he will actively seek to have homosexual relationship, and it's obvious that it's a bit to make views.
Especially since he's setting "becoming gay" as the same type of challenge as "becoming Vegan"
But Paul then said: "We're vegan now, and we're sober."
"But February we are going to go the opposite."
"And then March... it's male-only March. We're going to attempt to go one way, swing, and then go back."
How is this ok?
Also,
Surely, I could have sex with another man, stay erect and so on, if I put my mind into it?
Nobody purely Hetero would say "hey I'll try fucking a dude" without hiding at least some form of gay or bi-sexuality
How can you, without being attracted by the male form, and male genitalia, have an erection without using viagra or something
Either you never had any homosexual relationship, or you have a fucked up look at what a sexual partner is. (Just a hole to shag)
Hell, I've have a friend who seemingly "became" gay, even thought he described himself a "pure hetero".
Sometime, he joked about how if he didn't have any relationship soon he's "become gay"
But the truth was that he never actually was Hetero and it was his way of hinting at his orientation.
he was scared to shit and it stopped him from coming out, doing so outside of the school environment.
What I'm coming at is, you don't actually choose to be gay / bi / straight.
There's even study linking hormonal spike in the womb to sexual orientation.
My belief is that you are born gay/bi/straight but peoples are just pressured by society to be like everyone else. Or how some people would say, "normal".
But those kind of stunts are making people believe that it's only a trend you can hop on, thus validating people bullying gays to become straight, since it's a choice.
Even if it's not blatantly "homophobic", it's still damaging. And denying this is being blind to what LGBT people suffer from every day.
I'd say its different. It literally isn't a guy lying straight to your face winning cool shit on just totally legit luck.
That's the actual problem with it imo. Gambling by itself is bad enough, plus how easy it is for a kid to access it, be it lootboxes in games or stuff like this, but to have someone that makes videos mostly seen by kids, saying they won stuff like that legit, is bad. Very bad.
Thats not counting the rest of the garbage he pulls and has pulled. He's just a shit person all round.
Naturally a thread like this attracts some terrible opinions.
Eminem and other pre-social media celebrities aren't social influencers. They hardly ever actually interacted with their audiences. It was mostly just performing concerts and the occasional interview/tv spot. They weren't really influencing anything.
People like Logan Paul on the other hand release frequent videos talking directly to their audiences as if they were friends, purposefully building up a para-social relationship with the viewer. This one-sided relationship establishes a similar trust in the Personality that you might have for a good friend, especially in more impressionable people, which gives them a whole lot more influence over their audience than someone like Eminem. Unlike the scare-mongering around violent music/movies/games, these social media techniques actually do have an effect on people. It's why these people are so successful. Even YouTube themselves aknowlege it and created a video series to train new content creators how to do it themselves.
well thats completely incorrect.
eminem makes an entirely different type of content, logan paul essentially advertises his lifestyle. that's not to say eminem doesn't have influence though, it's just way more limited
none of them have ultimate power over every decision their fans make, though, for fucks sake, stop thinking in black and white terms. do you not accept like, ANY degree of influence? do you think you are who you are today without ever having taken anything from your environment?
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