Metro Exodus will be Epic Store Exclusive, Steam Preorders will still be honored
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I've never seen a process made so tedious and complicated on purpose, just for the sake of discouraging refunds.
When you have 99% of your games on Steam, obviously is inconvenient to have on another store 2 or 3 games, I think is not necessesary to everyone keep repeating that.
Yeah, nobody has a problems with stores like GOG. Is always nice to have a choice to where buy a game.
Exclusives are always an bad thing for the consumer. Full stop. We understand that console makers gonna make theirs games exclusives to the hardware that they produce, but is a shame that, for example, Xbox users can't enjoy the new God of War.
Again, we don't like exclusives, especially if a company basically bribes a publisher to do it and we end up with a inferior service like the Epic Games Store.
Now you are being dishonest here. You have pages and pages of explanation on this thread of why this is an anti-competitive practice. The very definition of "exclusivity" means that there are not a competitor offering the same product. If you don't want to listen to anyone here, then is your problem.
Epic Games and DeepSilver played dirty here. Please, to everyone that is defend it calling it a "competitive move", get informed about the entirety of the situation. The ones that lose with this kind of moves are us. And before anyone mentions it, NO, the "11% revenue share" doesn't affect the consumer side.
Fantastic, now I wont ever have the complete series on Steam.
I don't really know what you are trying to prove bringing this up there, but it is assumed that Epic Store is operating as loss leader to get people to use their launcher, and companies who accepts their exclusivity deals either believe in the store's policy, or find their monetary offers alluring. Whatever happens behind the scene is up to them, but the current state is clear: the consumers are the losers. Sometimes companies make greedy decisions, while it may not be illegal, there is no need to give them benefit of the doubt and continue letting them shove their stick up the assess.
Yeah, if you make something, then you are free to sell it whatever you want. What you are not understanding is that if you are bribed to only sell it on one place, then THAT is an anti-competitive move for the consumer. DeepSilver choose the Epic Games store because Epic Games gives them a big check to not sell it anywhere else.
They make everyone angry and fucked the Metro fanbase so they can get some bags of money from Epic. If the games sells poorly thanks to this, you know that the one that is gonna bit the dust is 4A Games, and say goodbye to their games. But hey, at least DeepSilver has theirs pockets full of money, so everything is fine.
This doesn't helps developers, the only ones with a smug smile are Epic and DeepSilver.
Games being expensive are not excuse to anti-consumers practices. That dumb excuse is used to defend DLCs, microtransactions, loot boxes, etc. It's a shame if a nice company goes under, but as a consumer I am not gonna accept that they fuck my ass simple to make them happy.
Oh, and please don't forget that DeepSilver used Steam as an marketing platform and remove the game from it 2 weeks before launch. Do you think that was fair?
Yes, you can set the price anyhow you want if you make the game, but it doesn't mean the publisher getting exclusivity deal after the game is being sold and block it from a platform would be good for the industry, and I doubt it would help the developer in this case. The only ones benefiting from this is Epic who managed to lock people into their system through this deal, and Deep Silver who got paid a large sum for the deal. Would it increase sales for the developer? I doubt so, and it definitely hurt the game's reputation as a result.
And this is how you get banned. There is nothing in this thread worth censoring/shutting down. You just need to debate your arguments correctly. Anyone in this thread can see you running around your tail with no clear intention other than to rile the thread up and being borderline contradictory. It's not hard to see that this thread is long so it's worth reading the OP and every page briefly before throwing the towel in and fucking around.
I honestly hope it flops just so it doesn't set a precedent for other games to try the same. Epic is just using their vast money reserves to effectively bribe games over to their service and then locking them in under exclusivity.
It's the same nightmare that streaming services have where every TV company decides to start their own streaming service so you end up having to choose between 20 or so services that each have like one or two things you want on them.
Dude's either drunk or brain dead if he can't see the impact this will have.
Wait, wasn't he talking about the Australian Classification Board and not he forums themselves?
I'm fairly sure he meant both but he can appeal it anyway and he can also appear the incredibly dishonest+low effort debating anyway. This isn't how we roll. It's SH sure relaxed but you go into a debate best be prepared. I was actually taking the piss out of his censorship board comment because his posts were god awful to read.
Here's a comment he responded to
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/129/2d029265-401f-45c5-a68d-54b2472571a7/1548857238692[1].png
That’s too bad, I was really looking forward to this game.
Yeah as pointed out he's actually making fun of this. Everything I've seen of Glukhovsky, he's an awesome and smart dude who gives more fucks about the art of it than the money. Dude distributes his stuff for free before it comes out and basically shits on greedy people in the industry like the guy who wrote the Witcher series.
while I think what these people are doing are quite petty, it definitely show how a deal like this would cost the game reputation. Even if the developer receive bonus income from this deal, which I doubt, I still don't think it's worth it.
Id rather not it flop since A4 is only one that would really suffer from it
I would like to see some kind of lawsuit come out of this tho. I doubt that whole advertising your game on steam front page and the fucking off to competitor's service two weeks before release with next to no warning is entirely legal
I honestly think we'll see Epic Games Launcher become more consumer friendly with reviews and refunds (although it really should have that now...) as it starts to get as big as Steam.
Looks like DeepSilver are gonna keep using Steam as marketing platform:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/412020/announcements/detail/1728722175258235230
There's just no outcome of this that ends up good.
If the game is a success, it tells Epic, Koch and others that this was the right choice and that they can get away with doing it.
If the game is a failure, it lessens the chance of setting that precident, but negatively affects the series/developer for something that's likely no fault of their own.
I very much like the series, but in the choice between the effects on the series/developer and the effects on the industry as a whole, the latter is the more important consideration.
If i was valve, I'd be disbarring them from the platform entirely until the year is up. They know they are abusing steam as free marketing and should be punished for it.
It's not what's happening, it's how it's happening.
They already said that reviews are "toxic" and only gonna be activated by developers that want it. (In other words: No one)
Yes you will, this is only for a year. The game will be back on Steam in February 2020.
i see a lot of "people" say that this isn't bad because its a wakeup call for valve
how?
what do you want valve to do?
epic paid for exclusivity
this is NOT about the cut valve takes
itch.io takes an even lower cut than epic
do you want valve to retaliate by doing the same shit?
if epic really wanted to showcase how a lower cut could be better consumers they should have cut the price by 10% (actually cut it, not in JUST america) and fronted the cost, not paid for exclusivity
Assuming you believe Deep Silver keep their word, which I'm hesitant to do since they've made it clear with this move that they are easily swayed by bags of easy money.
God the fucking mental gymnastics of people in the comments
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110730/3a829109-1fc9-46e4-aa7d-ff455a0d20a0/SmartSelect_20190130-142107_Instagram.jpg
I believe they will because the backlash was huge and they have to see the potential long-term profit.
They have the money and market knowledge to make it from the get go, stop making excuses for them
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