• Metro Exodus will be Epic Store Exclusive, Steam Preorders will still be honored
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The market that screeches at ANYTHING (yes, even GoG) that enters it, if it's not Steam? That rejected Steam itself until it was forced on anyone wanting to play games? Now that sucks big time, not gonna lie.
I don't mind having more store clients on my computer aka more options honestly . Uplay's got their unique rewards while Steam have its Steamworks and these are decent in their own way. Meanwhile Origin and Epic just lock their shit onto their own platform and actively take away your options instead of trying to compete. It's pathetic.
It's fine you don't mind opening different clients to launch one game, but some find it annoying. It's more convenient , when everything is under one simple client.
Do you ever think that maybe people like to have most things in one place, instead of having to have multiple programs open if they want to switch games? Yeah sure, YOU might be alright with it, but we're not a Hive Mind.
These other platforms are still forcing you to have them in order to play games. They're no different to steam and even worse. People are complaining about these platforms exclusives for the most part rather than "its not steam".
That message from Valve is really interesting. They're putting a personal opinion directly on a third-party product page. That's how you can tell they're fucking pissed.
Well competition often isn't convenient. It's foolish to think you can ever get all of your games in one place in this day and age.
This isn't really a competition which the others aren't trying to compete. It's plain bribe.
Epic is specifically using it's lack of reviews as a selling point in an effort to entice developers and publishers. They want to keep people from being informed about the games they are purchasing and see that as a thing that makes them a superior platform.
Wait, I misread this. This is a message from valve?? Holy...
i don't really care for publishers deciding they can be frivolous with my computer resources
It isn't, no. I would still personally prefer having less client to deal with though. Not that I mind keeping all mentioned clients installed.
my issue with it is that it just gets to be too many to manage. so what i have installed on my computer right now is: 109 games on Steam 1 game on Battle.net 8 games on the Oculus launcher 2 games from GOG Galaxy 2 games from Discord and like. this might just be me but because a small handful of games is scattered across 4 different launchers i honestly completely forget i have them in the first place. each new launcher is a new account to set up, a new thing to keep updated, a new thing to stop from opening every time you start windows, a new games library to remember even exists on my hard drive. its small stuff but at the same time? i haven't touched Overwatch in over a year because its confined to Battle.net and i just forgot i had it for me its just a pain to have to deal with 5 different game libraries (8 counting emulators) each with their own respective launchers, when i could just have them all in the same place on Steam, and as a part of that be able to use any game controller i want with them if i want to (i know non-steam games are a thing you can set and its something i do when i remember to do it)
Yeah and it's real hard to blame them because it's fucking scummy to do.
This is taking the fucking piss, the price on Epic's store is lowered for US from $59.99 to $49.99, but UK and Europe are fucked, it's saying £49.99 and €59.99 respectively. They use the fucking money they've amassed from Fortnite to buy all these exclusivity deals to make even more money, yet only US seems to benefit in this case, well fuck that shit, guess I'm not buying this game then, thanks, fucking looking forward to it but that's a game gone for me I suppose.
I think publishers are overestimating how good the Epic store will be for them. Sure they might get a bit more revenue per sale and presumably Epic gives you a fat cheque upfront as an incentive, but what good is that if your overall sales plummet? The only reason anyone uses Epic's store at all is Fortnite, and I doubt most of the Fortnite audience will care about the other games moving there. A lot of people not already using the Epic store seem to be weary of moving to yet another platform too. These publishers are moving from platforms with diverse existing userbases to a platform where a majority of the users are there for one reason only, and that reason isn't their game.
competition purely for the sake of competition doesn't help consumers if the competition doesn't actually provide any benefit to the consumers. games leaving steam is mostly because of publisher greed, with the consumers being forced to follow if they want to play games from those publishers.
On the one hand this is scummy beyond anything. At least agregate Metacritic, if you're bothered that much. On the other - how many times Steam games were review-bombed just because pissy "gamers" didn't like something in the game? And honestly if Epic decide to change it's mind about it, I bet Fortnite will immediately have 1-star, because "DAE virgin game xd"
All that you just said plus this - Balkanization of the market is not a pro-consumer competition stance, it's a pro-business one that benefits the consumer not a fucking bit. If they were actually interested in fair competition, they'd release the game on a variety of stores (why not Discord? or Gog? Since those have fairly similar revenue splits as Epic's new store) and let consumers vote with their wallets, with the varying stores competing for the consumer's interest through sales and bonuses. This exclusivity bullshit is the exact opposite of pro-consumer competition stance and anyone indulging in it automatically goes on my shitlist.
Do you launch all of those at startup? I've tried that before when I had games I was playing on all four, and it made my computer crawl when I boot it up. And if I don't do that, I don't get automatic updates and have to manually launch the launcher whenever I want to play the game (Other than Uplay, which is actually good and lets me update and run Siege through Steam with no downsides). It's just annoying, unnecessary load and time forced on me because none of these companies are capable of sharing.
Is this some kind of sick joke? the game that I've been waiting since it was announced only to get a last minute announcement that it's not releasing on steam because of publisher greed and getting paid off by Epic Games to be an exclusive game on their own platform, with the only way to get it on steam is to probably pre-order it now and hope they keep their word come launch day, I was hoping to wait until its near release to get the game since I just got RE2:Remake, but I guess that aint happening.
They offered a bigger slice of the pie and the publisher took it. In what way is that not competition? not to say it wasn't scummy to poach the game off of Steam when it was already being sold.
Completely agreed. If I were at Valve, working on Steam, and I was observing Epic's actions over the past 6 months, I'd be livid. It's not about Epic threatening Valve's market position. That much is completely acceptable -- necessary, even, for a healthy market to exist. If Epic were choosing to compete by offering a better service, that'd be shitty for Valve but great for everyone else. But they're not doing that. The Epic Games Store is an objectively inferior service to Steam in every way but one, and that one distinction (the developer cut) has no impact on customers. Every other aspect of the EGS -- from its complete lack of any real information on games, to the fact that the guy who runs it also runs steamspy.com, which is a fucking absurd conflict -- makes it garbage. Epic knows they can't compete with Steam fairly, so they're doing everything they can to force people to buy games on their platform, instead of convincing them to. I buy games on Steam because Steam, all things considered, is pretty fucking awesome. It has a huge amount of features, from trading cards to the workshop, that provide massive benefits to the games and gamers. I know this because I worked on a game that released on Steam, and was in charge of implementing Steamworks. I'd buy games on the EGS because I have no other choice beyond piracy.
I really don't mind having multiple clients (as much as annoying it is) but Epic's shitty practice on this is really bad. Valve ain't squeaky clean either but I don't really support this practice either way. Epic is being really scummy on how they're going about this and in the end it's just going to hurt both the devs and the consumer base. I still really want to play the game and definitely will get it, but now will either wait for the exclusivity to drop or get it on a sale (which may or may not happen already after exclusivity expires).
Also consider one of the biggest demographics for Fortnite, little kids. These are kids who are unlikely to even be able to buy a game like Metro or Division, they're not looking for that kind of game. They want more Fortnite. So here is the interesting thing I expect: When these games come out you will suddenly see people like Ninja playing Division 2 and Metro: Exodus. The biggest Fortnite streamers will be swapping over to other Epic store exclusive titles and going, "Wow this game is great, impressionable audience! And you can get it, only, on the Epic Store."
Epic is pulling this shit with all their exclusives. If devs are so stupid as to why steam gets a 30% cut with a market that fucking huge, they need new marketing teams. Im not backing a shitty platform that completely shits on customer transparency and forks over cash to get exclusives.
I was literally just looking for somewhere to prepurchase the game only to see this post about 5 minutes ago. Kind of upset tbh.
Personally, I'm gonna wait until the exclusivity period is up and then buy the game on Steam just because of this. If it was a choice of two equivalent games stores, but one is cheaper than the other, I'd just go the cheaper one. But since it's cheaper vs. being able to see reviews and be an informed consumer, I choose the latter. Plus I don't want to support artificial exclusivity.
Imagine Steam as a grocery store. It's the place you get all your food and drinks, and while the store offer some decent discount every now and then, the employees are really unhelpful and the building is really old. But it's the only grocery store in town, so this is your only choice and people wants some competitors so they would actually improve their services. Now, another grocery store Epic Store opened in town. However, instead of trying to compete by offering better service, they just bought the rights to sell drinks in town instead. Their service is still shitty and even worse than Steam, but now they've forbidden Steam from selling drinks so now you have to go to two different places in order to get all your stuffs. Would you call this competiton? Maybe but I sure as hell don't. It's bullshit.
I'm all for kicking Valve in the crotch, but this is just too low. Me and my wallet are not going to support this, despite how much I respect 4A and what they do.
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