• Abandoned baby found in middle of road
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A baby isn't an it. They're a person. Am I biased because I have kids or some shit? I really dont get how you guys dont see this as some sort of horrible crime. There is no justifying it. Its attempted murder, plain and simple. No one in their right mind, ever, should do this to a baby.
I never said it was right or wrong. I just stated it's common that it happens. I also did not personally call the baby an it, it's the mindset of the people that do this.
I dunno about that, last time I heard this happened it turned out that the random asshole treated the kid like shit and ended up neglecting him totally, letting him only use their own kids second-hand clothes and forcing him to live in a cupboard under the stairs until eventually he got taken into a private boarding school where he ended up being a nuisance to the staff and getting into problems with his friends. Then he disappeared for a while and started a rebellion to take down a genocidal man with a facial disfigurement and a pet snake.
There's a difference between justifying something and explaining it. Just consider that perfectly normal people can be driven to do insane things. Maybe these parents were psychopaths from birth, sure. But impoverished areas tend to suffer more from child abandonment, and you're not seriously going down the "poor people are born with fucked up morals" route, are you? Because you did say it's something you can't teach, didn't you? See the problem? Environment plays a factor. Abuse, trauma, neglect, stress, violence, plenty of things can harm you and your rationale. I think it's awkward to go "this specific case could've been prevented by sex ed" because we just don't know, but on average, yes, sex ed is associated with decreasing teenage pregnancies, which can, though won't always, lead to extremely stressful and possibly abusive households, extra financial troubles for someone already growing up in an area that doesn't offer much in the way of prospects, and certainly didn't offer much in the way of education. That doesn't absolve guilt, it's just what you have to consider if you actually want to see less cases like this And wouldn't you know it: Here's an article on the region where this happened about the poor handling and general pushback against sex ed https://www.fresnobee.com/news/special-reports/too-young/article165478887.html Wilson is open with her students about growing up as a teen mom in Madera. While the Valley’s teen birth rates have declined, the region is not making the same strides as the state and nation. In 2012, nearly 3,000 teenagers gave birth in Fresno, Madera and Tulare counties alone.
I would say being a parent makes you emotional about these situations and makes it hard for you to raise non-emotional-driven points.
I didn't defend shit, and nor would I make assumptions like you just did. If they didn't care why didn't they bury or otherwise dispose the baby?
Have you noticed that all you've been doing is either saying it's a language barrier or using pure emotional cards (rights/freedoms, 'On what planet is calling abstinence education bad an "extreme"?') without actually understanding? I do have a bias and I can acknowledge that, but from an objective standpoint what I mean is both have their pros and cons, what is best needed is a balance of both knowledge and proper social attitude to fix this issue. But the West has no 'balance' on this end. Sexual attitudes in Asia are different (and more civilized if you ask me), obviously people do still have sex, but in simple terms it boils down to if they 'should' and not just (keyword: Just) if they 'could'. Issues of unplanned pregnancies do still happen in Asia, but generally the common root causes of such issues, (E.G. casual impulsive sex, multiple partners etc.) are extremely frowned upon. My main point from my original post, is that earlier posts were focusing on the wrong things that ultimately do not solve the root causes of these. Not that it can ever be truly solved, but it can be minimized as much as possible. (knowing places to put unwanted babies and allowing people to have casual sex as long as it's ''safe'' ; both ultimately will have long term negative effects on society) The real problem isn't the baby and where/how it's treated by the parents, not saying that those aren't issues, they are major issues but, the real root cause is the social attitude and the other factors that allowed such babies to be so easily and unexpectedly conceived in the first place. Which in my view is a problem of both proper sex ed and social attitude in the West towards sex.
You have a really skewed idea of how our culture is. We are not one big hippie fuck fest, every single person has their own ideas. I'm more liberal, but there are entire, mostly religious, communities that have that more restrictive culture you enjoy.
The point is "how/who/when", that is it. Again, my point is that both social sex-ed and proper social attitude is needed, again it's a balance. And that the previous posts were focusing on only one side of the problem which will end up getting nowhere. I don't have qualms with casual safe sex with a proper committed love partner, I was more referring to the more general "loose" social attitude the West has on 'casual' sex. How the line is crossed easily with no regard to whatever emotional/mental effects that could happen and how that could lead to issues in the long term. And the ass-broom analogy is meant to convey that freedom and rights do not mean you should freely do something, as I've said, "could" doesn't mean you "should".
Your only argument so far has been that your culture is different so we're wrong. I'm sorry that we were raised differently but the romanticised version of sex and love you've been fed through your culture is very naive. The idea of teaching people when they 'should' fuck is frankly retarded. I'm going to make love to people I give a fuck about in very traditionally 'correct' situations and sometimes I'm gonna catch a quick, barbaric hookup. As long as you're being smart and safe about it, you're cool. You think that is a bad thing but guess what, instinct disagrees. The only effective measure is contraceptive education and informing kids on exactly how to handle pregnancies wanted or not. You aren't going to breed out sex drive anytime soon.
Ideals may not be fully realizable as it is 'perfect' but the point is to strive for it. And if you call us naive, we in Asia call you barbaric. The very fact that in Asia it is a general social attitude for centuries is evidence that it is not as 'naive' as you think.
man, nopartyhats called you, as a person, naive, and you just went and insulted the entirety of western civilization lol wtf
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