Shamima Begum: 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' - Sensationalist Headlines

you have no idea how laws work.

don't understand why people are arguing against this when death camp guards that end up on trial 60 years later for still being "involved"

She;s in SDF territory, in a camp monitored by the SDF, which is much better than what will happen if she comes here which is likely that she'll just be let out onto the streets and potentially get involved with extremists here again.

You're intentionally oversimplifying things to support your own warped view of what you think justice should be in this case. There's nothing to be gained by continuing this conversation.

so you think any 15 year old can watch a few liveleak gore films then cross 2 borders into no-man's land with no input whatsoever from other isis members.

I'm not over simplifying anything, I'm telling her story as she said it. It's just her own statements don't support your narrative of the poor innocent victim.

Because carcarcargo's suggestion is that we shouldn't do anything. She should face absolutely no criminal response for her actions. Just leave her where she is and let them deal with her. On an entirely different note, I'm going to write a suggestion to Mr. Trudeau that we should just send our criminals somewhere else and let "them" deal with it. Not our circus, not our monkey.

not so likely seeing how much attention she'll receive

And the whole matter of a criminal trial. It's not like we're arguing that we should give her a pat on the head and let her go on her way.

wonder harder then you'll understand what grooming is.

It's happened before with people the police were well aware were terrorist sympathisers. Someone who was literally on a channel 4 TV show about extremists was involved in terror attacks here. It's easy to slip past, the police can't watch you 24/7.

she'll probably be under house arrest and constant surveillance.

Bringing an IS member and supporter back to your country poses some very obvious security risks, such as the fact that whatever drove her to IS still burns inside her and may drive her to terrorism again. You'd have to devote intelligence resources to keeping tabs on her at all times to make sure she isn't organizing attacks with other extremists or buying fertilizer for lone wolf attacks. And you'd have to keep up on it for years before you could even think about considering her a non-threat.

very low profile cases though

I've been arguing that she should be returned to the country to face trial, I'm not painting her as a poor innocent victim, I'm arguing the opposite. Your personal cynicism and lack of faith in our justice system is your own problem, but unfortunately just because you don't believe in the laws of this country, does not mean they don't apply.

I know what grooming is, grooming implies some kind of ignorance as what was going on, whereas she knew full well what ISIS was. Is a 25 year old in a gang "groomed" because some people invited him along? Are all criminals groomed in your mind?

quite a lot are, yes?

Correct, or the alternative is just to wash our hands of them and leave them abroad where they can actively take a role in the group itself and just commit those attacks in a foreign country with virtually 0 chance of being caught by security forces. Of course the second option is easiest because then its just Iraqi/Syrian civilians dying and its easier for us to ignore.

I got the impression from him is that is it really worth bothering when she'll likely just be killed by whatever. Which seems a bit messed up but at the same time it's like a what's the point but then there's the everyone should face consequences for their actions as in trialed and judged. Is just a weird one for me.

she needs treatment

People will forget her in a few months, it's the police who're the ones who have to do the surveillance and it's been shown time and time again how easy it is for them to slip past the polices watch.

No, but a 15 year-old might certainly being invited along might certainly be. Once again, we're getting back to a point where you seem incredulous that anybody would ever commit a crime, as though they should all just know better. The real world doesn't work like that.

She's not going to be killed by the SDF. She's perfectly safe where she is.

The idea that a 15 year old is any more emotionally rational than a 10 year old is just a bit funny really.

They are, significantly. Dunno what kind of 15 year olds you spent your time with if they were mentally on par with primary school kids.

Britain has a responsibility to protect it's own first and foremost. If she is brought back to Britain, it's probably best that she be locked up for life because of the threat she poses to everyone around her. If she were to go back to her old ways in a couple years and kill a dozen people, it would make Britain look terrible for putting the life of an IS member in-front of their own people. Whatever drove her to terrorism still resides within her and may very well set her off again. So if she does come back, it's for the best that she not be allowed to mingle with the general populous. I do think prison is too harsh but she has to be kept away from the people she wants to kill. The only alternative is keeping watch on her 24/7 for the rest of her able-bodied life, and that's hardly feasible and a waste of surveillance resources.

15 is a weird age though. it's borderline a crisis point of you deciding your life with no real life experience.

Most people I know are still pretty close to how they were when they were 16, yeah they got a bit more mature but the difference isn't anywhere near as stark as people are making out in this thread. You're acting like the difference between a 15 year old and an 18 year old is the same level of difference between a 5 year old and a 15 year old.

This is true, but I feel you're glossing over a lot of factors that contribute to the reasons as to why they decide to joing gangs. Their culture, family, childhood, mental health, etc. are all things that I think should be deeply considered before we just say "fuck em"

She is still a UK citizen, her affiliation with ISIS does not change that fact and we do not have the legal ability to strip her of her citizenship and leave her stateless. It looks far worse if the UK starts to wash its hands of extradition duty because it simply can't be bothered to keep and eye on people or keep them in prison. If I went to the US and shot some people it wouldn't be correct for my home country to just say fuck it and leave me there because it can't be bothered to bring me home and put me on trial, or their worried I might commit further crimes there.