Shamima Begum: 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' - Sensationalist Headlines

A lot of nazis with very minor roles were charged, even if they never directly killed anyone, so not sure what your point is here. Joining a terror organisation is a bit different from simply doing your job as a medical professional as well. Ultimately she wasn't forced to go, she went of her own volition. I don't particularly agree with leaving the kid behind but she either needs to never be allowed back or to come back and sit in prison for the rest of her life lest she endanger this country.

Honestly, I do apologize if it may be an absolute horrible way of describing this but: The arguments claiming that she should be allowed back into Britain is disgusting. Everyone understandably does dumb shit as a Teenager, incidentally everyone does get in trouble doing dumb shit as a teenager too but there's always a barrier dividing certain things of "Oh, I totaled my char; Oh I got stuck in a dumb lie; I did something without thinking about it!" and making a trip about a fifth of the world away, joining what are practically ethnofacist zealots who will indiscriminately kill those who don't toe the line and then - only then - after two years, come trying to crawl back to their home nation because the rag tag killers of the orient got (THANKFULLY) destroyed by the Iraqi Government. She should rot, or even be killed since she's not a teenager no more. The only bad thing to come of this is that her son's going to be born with a dip shit parentage no matter where he's born to. One could even read the article and show that she's given permissible lies while still holding true to the dogmatic faith that ISIS spouts; it's even quoted in the article how batshit insane she is. To those who would argue that she was "brainwashed" by ISIS i'd partially agree, but would you genuinely wish for a possibile political, religious and societal dissident to move in next door after going away for a few years? Regardless of the chance they could be reformed or not I fucking wouldn't. I may come off as strong or "edgy" here but I will say this and stand by it: Death to these genocidal fuckwits. The innocent children being born by them are just going to the slaughterhouse as they're corrupted by religious zealotry. Thank fuck her citizenship has been revoked. P.S: I'm not necessarily insulting you folks directly but your argument. I love you guys, but I genuinely can't agree with taking somebody who's going to be a problem back to wherever they're from. <3.

then why do you have to vent so much anger over this stance. nobody here is saying she should be forgiven for joining a terrorist organisation but the fact of the matter is that as a minor she was swayed into the wrong crowd and helped to cross 2 borders. if all this happened when she was 18, I really wouldn't give a shit. But the fact she was in secondary school is just sad. I want criminals to be brought to justice. Not tourists.

The planet where Hitlers nurse probably wasn't going to be told about their secret genocide plans? The ones that were actually generally only told to those who needed to know?

I cant believe you got a chance to interview her, how else would you have such striking insight into her life

you don't need to interview personally to know the facts.

And here you demonstrate the same kind of fundamental misunderstanding on how to deal with islamic extremism that will ensure this problem will last for decades more than it already has. No one thinks you're strong or edgy, you just support the easiest and less complicated answer because you can't be bothered to put any thought into why these people do what they do and just fall back onto "eh kill em all glass the middle east I dun get why we dun nuke all da muzzies". You're playing into their hands, this is exactly the kind of short minded and counter productive attitude that groups like ISIS want the west to fall into.

What facts? You've produced absolutely no facts at all, it's literally all speculation based on nothing. At least I can cite her own bloody words, you've cited jack shit.

Why is it correct that we as a nation simply wash our hands of our responsibility for our citizens actions because they decided to commit their crimes in another country.

Not really relevant to what I was arguing there, I'm arguing largely against this silly idea that she had no idea what she was doing. Although she can apparently get Bangladeshi citizenship based on her heritage (which is why she can legally have her citizenship revoked) so I'm sure she'll be just fine. If you want to deal with the extremist problem in Britain, the best way to do it is by not bring more extremists into the country.

As I said before, perhaps the Syrian government should ship some of their criminals over to England and then revoke their citizenship. Then they can close their eyes and pretend it's somebody else's problem.

Oh so now its fine because she can just go and be an extremist in Bangladesh where she won't be punished and won't be under any surveillance by the country security services. But hey as long as its just brown people on the other side of the world getting killed its ok.

She'll most likely be more content in a country with a Sunni majority, it's quite clear she can't stand living with people different to her, trying to justify crimes against Shias, Kurds and Europeans.

So now punishment is totally off the table and you now give a shit about having her live in a country where she'll be more comfortable. So why didn't we let ISIS create its Caliphate if that's what you're worried about.

Because ISIS is genocidal and wasn't going to stop at anything less than the eradication of everyone they disagreed with? Like what even is your point there.

Well apparently you now want us to palm our dangerous terrorists off on countries that have a demographic slightly more aligned with ISIS. You've spent pages arguing this girl is a violent terrorist mastermind who literally cannot be let anywhere near the UK because of the risk she poses, and now you want us to just ship her off to Bangladesh because I dunno other Sunni muslims there

Sunni doesn't mean "in line with ISIS". However being more religiously in line with her may at the least make her feel comfortable enough to quit and drop the stupid victim complex she has. Or they'll just throw her in prison themselves. Either it keeps extremism from spreading further in the UK.

This doesn't seem just to me. If they wanted to revoke her citizenship, they should have done it when she joined ISIS, not once she decided she wants to come back.

The argument that being young can't be used as an argument because "Obviously a teenager would know better than this!" might hold more water if there weren't currently multiple cases in the news about young teenagers who ran off and joined IS because they thought it seemed like a good idea at the time and have since come to realize that maybe things aren't on the level. And as mentioned before, if she had run off and joined a local gang I'm sure all we'd be hearing about is how rough and terrible it is that kids in poor socioeconomic conditions fall into such traps. But since in this case it was a terrorist organization, any and all nuance goes out the window. This isn't a case where you can have your cake and eat it too. You can't on one hand make the argument that youth criminals deserve a degree of leniency because they may not have been capable of weighing the full consequences of their actions, but then also say that any youth that joins a terrorist cult deserves the full brunt of punishment because they must have been capable of weighing the full consequences of their actions. Either you accept the nuance, or you ignore it completely, but you can't have one and not the other without being hypocritical. Hell, in this topic alone several people have relentlessly hammered home the point that "SHE JOINED BECAUSE SHE SAW BEHEADING VIDEOS AND LIKED THEM!" when she clearly says in the interview that there were also videos showcasing the apparent "good life" that the IS could provide. People are outright determined to accept a narrative that she went on Liveleak, saw a couple of beheadings and was immediately on the first flight to Damascus when the actual story was probably far more nuanced than that. In any event, washing your hands of radicals once they go overseas is about as defensive a measure as sticking your head in the sand. You're ignoring the problem, not doing anything to solve it. Radicalization is still going to happen, and a fair proportion of those radicalized aren't going to be so kind as to go overseas for you.

Do you even believe the stuff you write, do you honestly think any of the things you've written here have any chance of happening realistically. That someone who was radicalized against the West would lose those feelings after being abandoned by her country and dumped somewhere else because it roughly shares the same demographic as them.

Well she's never gonna get back into the west so there's not much else she can do other than give up on it

If you say so, considering that security services weren't able to stop people who had actively been fighting in Syria from entering Europe to take part in attacks, I'm sure one girl and her baby will be top priority for them to look out for.

Meanwhile you've cited jack shit otherwise and quoting a few tabloids. you think she watches a few liveleak videos and jumps across 2 borders ALONE of her own accord. And also you have no care for safeguarding minors so all in all, you have no care for the law or culture that keeps young vulnerable people safe. Instead you are more proud to start wars and cause more dis-functionality abroad by keeping a mentally ill young woman abroad. There is now more chance that she will be more radicalised and potentially do harm because of your feelings. I've stated why I feel this way because of the entire stance that minors shouldn't be protected against this kind of grooming.

I haven't quoted any tabloids, they're literally her words. Or is tabloid in this sense "anyone who doesn't agree with my world view". Hell all the source did was cite her own words.

meh telegraph is masquerading as a broadsheet. but do continue ignoring the main point of my post.

Ah you're one of those people who thinks have a minor conservative bias makes it dailymail tier. Of course only left wing newspapers are unbias and truthful. You don't have a point to tackle, you're making so many exaggerated baseless statements whats there to counter? "Instead you are more proud to start wars and cause more dis-functionality abroad by keeping a mentally ill young woman abroad." You're suggesting not giving this one woman citizenship is going to cause a second caliphate to appear out of the ground.

this entire narrative screams of propaganda tbh

see this now. Not once did I say "left or right" and not once did I say "second caliphate". It's just pointless discussion when we're steering away from the main issue.

Yet a girl, who has no trial is now stateless without discussion Bit of a correction there - she's a dual national, so isn't stateless. She's half Bangladeshi and half British.

If this makes her eligible to get a bandladeshi passport, it would only be through association of the father. But it still doesn't make sense to make this issue when she was born in the UK. For me, they have no clue what they're doing.