Denuvo 5.6 (used in Metro Exodus) got cracked in 5 days
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When you actually start realizing that people can argue one thing while not automatically believing in something else. The effects of piracy ISN'T RELEVANT in my points about entitlement. Nobody acknowledges that.
Literally irrelevant.
And why do you suppose I have to address the entire thread matter and not just the people who come in with their entitled crap like "it's justified to pirate the game"?
How about you go read up on the definition of 'entitled'.
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Isn't saying you're "justified in pirating the game" proposing that it's your right to download the game?
How is this not entitlement?:
"justified"
"I don't want DRM, so instead of not buying the game I'm just gonna get it without paying"
"art is ours"
Rephrasing something but still saying he's getting it for free and feels that's fine.
"People NEED this videogame". Granted, the payment issue HAS to be fixed, but isn't a valid reason to pirate.
No, you're actually not quite free to do so.
didn't you just say it's not about morals?
No, you misunderstand. I said you're boiling down this entire discussion to two phrases: "muh morals" and "waaah piracy bad". When in actuality, the discussion is more nuanced than that, but I get the feeling you didn't read my reply to Mattk50's post.
If you want to play a semantics game, fine. We can go with the third definition:
"the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment"
Isn't saying that you're right to pirate the game asserting that it's your privilege to do so?
"context is meaningless"
I would prefer that as well. I think we'd do well by implementing a law that forces developers to remove Denuvo or other internet-only DRM after some time. If only for the sake of preservation.
"literally not relevant" as you say, since I never replied to you
"I bring up irony as if it pertains to the discussion in any way"
If being entitled to games means someone will bitch and whine until a crack becomes available then I must admit that's a bit noxious. Honestly, the promise of a free alternative may have spoiled some expectations and drive away actual potential buyers, but in the current climate, like tax avoidance, standing on ethical ground is a loss.
Piracy exists and is an option, justified or not. Only strict law enforcement will change that.
I like how there's boxes/disagrees from you on posts addressing this including mattk50s showing you're just writing off blindly anyone who disagrees with you
Then this funny quip here is completely irrelevant as well, so why did you bring it up?
I dunno probably because it's a response to you replying to me? Keep up
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Are you going to refute my points or are you just going to do this for the next few posts?
It's an observation of something I did on posts that had nothing to do with you.
Easy question, why do you pirate? If someone who does pirate could answer this. What is make or break between playing for free and paying for it?
Yeah it's straight up thread shitting at this point. I mean, it kind of was before since it was a dumb counter to a point that's never made, but shit like this
just completely worthless to the point of being confusing
so you're sks? pretty sure arguing on alts isn't allowed
I was referring to my reply to Mattk50. As I've said like 3 times now.
Fuck off. Someone made a point about being entitled, that's the point I've attacked. If anything, you're the one threadshitting with your hot-takes and boiling down my points to "piracy is bad".
Can you just please respond to the fucking points I am making instead of arguing about posting styles?
This query in particular:
"You're justified in pirating a game if you don't agree with the publisher."
....since this is essentially what some people have been saying.
pretty sure I responded to sks
classy
literally no one has done this except people claiming others are being entitled, like I said about morals
like I've already said this phrase came from the "piracy is bad" posts, Zeb said it's understandable why someone would do that, and was instantly met with a morals strawman. You're on a side arguing against a point created by itself
Yes, and you responded with:
literally no one is trying to bring this "muh morals" discussion except the "waaah piracy bad" people.
Who are the "waaah piracy bad" people? Is it me perhaps??? I called you out on the fact that you boiled down what we're saying to "piracy bad".
I've just created a post outlining which people are acting entitled. If you say piracy is justified, you're essentially saying you (o others) are entitled to do so. Like Recurracy's post. Aside from that, Mattk50 has literally said that the public is entitled to experience art on their own terms. Progenitor posed that poor people should be allowed to enjoy the game for free. So don't come at me with the "literally no one" crap.
I responded to this post (quoting it for the last time):
Yes, it's true that Peachy put up a strawman. But Recurracy actually went with it and confirmed that he thinks it's okay to pirate when publisher's pull "slimy shit". That's the point I was attacking, it doesn't have much to do with Zeb's post as his post was just an observation.
I only do it when I either already bought the game on another platform, the game is no longer easily available. I'd do it for game with bad mtx tactics but I honestly just forget about the game eventually
if this is bannable let me know and I'll snip it
geel and peachy, but this is pretty telling so maybe it should include you if you think it does
probably because it is okay, you don't even need a reason to pirate. it's there, it's not harmful, and there's really no point where "entitlement" comes into this equation. What exactly do you think makes it "not okay" if you think it having no effect is irrelevant?
Rarely pirate but if I do:
I'm too poor and don't want to wait to get the money (normally buy the game eventually if I'm this eager for something)
I don't think the game is worth the $60 they're charging (common with games that release endless sequels, generic triple A stuff or severe lack of content)
It has some kind of shitty practice including broken launch and very bad SP microtransactions
scummy devs/publisher who are still able to make half decent games (this one is mainly just a fuck you more than anything)
The game is old enough next to none of the original devs are still with the company
There's no way to get the game or a massive inconvenience (6th gen and earlier)
The game is just poor but still want to check it out of curiosity
The points in bold are the major reasons why I would pirate new releases in relation to game quality and the developers/publishers.
I personally don't even see it as stealing since that requires something to be taken. Question Copyright had that pretty compelling Copying is Not Theft argument and I think it's pretty sound.
A fair viewpoint, but I think you can get what they mean, or maybe the video is better at explaining it than the title. There is no quantifiable loss to it, and it's often been proven piracy doesn't equal lost revenue, infact in music's case I've seen studies cited suggesting the opposite for small artists.
The point expressed was with an analogy that if you were to steal your friends bike, he would no longer have a bike and you would, but if you were to copy the bike you'd have a bike with no loss involved.
Additionally, the crack teams usually do have legitimate versions to work with, if not all the time
Sure, but why do you think you are part of the target audience for the product if you can't afford to buy it?
You are still supporting those scummy devs/publishers by playing their product, you just don't want to pay for it.
Why would you want to play poor/bad games, rather weak argument if you are not that interested in it.
I don't have the money at the current time so I must not be the target audience for the game? What?
I'm a fan of survival horror games, I cannot afford RE2 at launch, I must not be their target audience???
How though? They aren't getting any money, no sort of player count is going up, very doubtful I'll be spreading praise about it, etc. It's literally like if no one was playing it in the first place, there is no sort of support that they'll be able to notice.
Like I said, out of curiosity to see how bad it is for myself. Same reason why people experience bad products of other mediums, hell a few times I had been pleasantly surprised and bought it cause it was better than I expected.
if this is true why don't they just put the game out for free so they can get supported more
And you don't need to buy it at launch, save up for it and buy it later. Again, money is the problem here and circumventing it is the thing you do by pirating.
You are not supporting them directly, but for indirectly for sure. That shitty business model and greed you despise produced it and you are using that product. Why not just ignore the games those devs make, why do you have to play it?
Too bad they need money to operate.
so since they're supported by money, playing the game without paying for it is not supporting them
Too bad money is not the only thing you can support business with.
But using their products does?
Maybe only to worsen the situation, it won't help it at all.
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