Tencent introduces streaming rules to stay on the up-and-up with Chinese law
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Consider the costs of intervention before you proceed, that's all I'm saying. If it is to occur, I doubt there is any possibility that it be even remotely bloodless, and 'war' of the inevitable scale we're looking at is unprecedented, so relying solely on the past as 'It worked before, it's fine!' is how you end up hurting, not healing, both sides.
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Also, the statement about Hitler isn't completely true. He had a bias judge that gave him a shortened sentence, and he was given permission to write a book at a time when the Weimar Republic had managed to fuck up the country in every way imaginable; Mein Kampf came at the perfect time. His cult then near-vanished during the 'Golden Age', and only reappeared around 1929 when the economy began to swan-dive again. Hitler simply happened to lurk at the most opportune moments. He also only got into power because each coalition before his 'government' was fucking dreadful and only strengthened Hitler's propaganda that Nazism was the only reliable route to take, a belief begrudgingly supported by people like van Papen & Schleicher, who in turn persuaded Hindenburg. Point is, Hitler can only be compared to China so much.
What makes you think I am not? I am weighing the costs of intervention against the costs of letting the situation fester. Which would be worse to you: The death of a small number of governmental figures to eradicate a cult -- or the death of thousands who are spread throughout the entirety of Chinese society and government? The longer you wait, the more it will spread, and the more likely it is to survive any coup d'etats. This is the sort of thing where either you act decisively or you act defensively; acting passively only inflames the situation and makes everyone's position worse.
Agreed. It's just a convenient point because, if we were to put Hitler in the modern age, people would brush him off as a 'fringe fool' who had no real power or influence beyond his scattered cult. He'd share status with the likes of serial killers and such in scales of infamy simply due to his rhetoric but people would, just as Germany did then, not take him seriously.
The point about bringing him up is: Treat the situation seriously.
Except it's not really as simple as "Scenario A - few people die, or Scenario B - lots of people die". I think a large number of people will be caught in the cross-fire regardless, because we're talking about China. The country with a propaganda machine out of Joseph Goebbels' wet dreams. Intervention against the country with the second largest economy, and an active military much bigger than that of the US (according to oh so reliable Wikipedia, at least) is going to get many people killed, which is why I think your cost risk assessment is not as extensive as it needs to be. Once you reach the stage of dealing with the government, which, by the way, assumes that we would be successful in the first place, to place the effects of slaughtering 'cult' leaders in the hands of what is essentially a coin toss is, for lack of a better term, highly reckless.
Yes, lets sit back and let them commit genocide, like they're currently doing.
But it is as simple as:
The regime ends now
The regime becomes too much a pain for everyone to ignore any longer
The government is not going to collapse. Dissidence against it in China is nearing the point where it is almost guaranteed to fail. That means, at that tipping point, the only actions left are extra-national.
That was inevitable from the beginning. It will remain inevitable.
Non-intervention is going to get even more people killed because China's economy will only continue to grow, it will continue to ensnare other nations and add them to its collective, and it will continue to grow its military power because of course China knows that it's building to a military conflict with its ideology.
We have a higher likelihood of being successful now than we do later. That means the more we wait to do anything the worse a position we're in. That means waiting is, for lack of a better term, 'playing chicken with the Reaper'. My money is on the Reaper not flinching. If we assume the Reaper doesn't flinch, that China gives no shits about what anyone else thinks, and that the situation continues to worsen and continue to advance, then you are left with a coin whose sides are being rapidly scored off until there is only one side remaining.
Again, like cancer, you are either going to fight against it or you are going to allow it to win. Right now, the US position is to allow it to win because that's what Russia wants; that should concern the entire rest of the planet and spur them into action -- but they're nervous because China is so large, failing to understand that if they do nothing China will only become larger. That is literally the economic plan for China right now: rapid expansion in all directions and the deepening of economic reliance on their country throughout the world. That would mean that, should it come time for war, those countries whose trade relies on China are being put in more and more a position where they have to go to war because their economy will collapse if China pulls out of their markets.
The chinese government is guilty of genocide against religious minorities, politicial disidents, and anyone else they don't like. I'm for abolishing the death penalty because I do not want a single innocent person to be killed for a crime they didn't commit... but in the case of the murderous fucks in charge of China, they're guilty as fuck, so I really don't give a damn if they get the noose for their crimes against humanity.
Hahaha, epic zinger, except if you had taken the time to read the rest of the thread, you would know I'm not completely opposed to intervention, and I understand the very obvious limitations of pacifism or neutrality. My main point is that if you really believe it's the only option left, you have to approach it meticulously, methodically and plan on an unprecedented extensive scale, because China isn't a tiny state that still uses spears, nor is it an African country only held together at the seams by brutality. It's a global superpower with an immensely powerful economy, massive standing army, and brainwashed citizens to a ridiculous degree.
Also, @Firgof Umbra (I really gotta learn how to use quotes), I will concede that intervention is probably the most likely and most effective route of action. You're most likely correct that now is better than latter. Part of my brain switched off to the economic manipulation of China, and it is a very good point. Your only problem now is deciding who is going to be the first to stand up? I don't see any of the main economies of the world doing anything, because they all have independent interest in the stability of China.
That's part of the problem, yes. The issue nonetheless remains: it is in everyone's interests, if they don't want to subscribe to the current State of China's ideology, to band together as a collective to either act defensively or decisively against China presently, where we have better footing, rather than later, where we'll be in a shit position and a vast amount of blood and ruin will follow in its wake to shake the world from its clutches.
None of this would be a problem if China intended on being affable and was negotiable on its state's ideology. It is inflexible, harsh, and calculating. Nobody chose for China its present course of action -- all that's left is to decide what that course of action should be. If other nations want to stand against China then what they should be doing now is going after Russia and trying to assist the United States back on its feet while doing their best to try and band economic tallies together to create a global economy that doesn't rely on Chinese trade.
I almost wanna say we should have some law that makes these rules unenforable outside China, but I'm not sure how that would work.
Capitalism, in its quest to eliminate barriers to consumption is handing our culture of free speech and artistic expression over to China for more dollars, something has to be done about it.
Xi can suck my dick
Again, why isn't there a "Fuck China" pressure group?
sorry, that was rude. he's busy sucking on smackerals of honey
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