Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard': scientists
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It was way warmer than 10 degrees in Århus today.
Today was an excellent day.
I went outside to walk around town, the icecream shop opened early, I enjoyed an icecream in the sun, it was 20 deg celsius outside.
Then I realized what month it is again..
.. we're supposed to be having snow for fucks sake.
shit like this doesn't help my depression at all
It got pretty ice cold here in the states in the northeast, not to mention how insanely windy it has been. I was walking back to my car after a social event in New England yesterday evening. The wind was pretty wild for the past two days, but it had seemed to calm down a bit in the afternoon. What was listed as 25 degrees (bit above 4 degrees Celsius, not warm by any stretch but nothing I couldn't handle usually) had a "Feels Like" temperature of only 3 degrees Fahrenheit (about -16 degrees Celsius) largely thanks to the wind chill. I felt fine as I started walking and felt half dead as I reached my car.
To put things in perspective, February in the past would still have been cold but would have also been much milder. I am starting to notice myself that temperatures are starting to soar higher than usual in summer and plummet lower than usual in winter. I still have friends cracking anti-climate change jokes while also complaining about the cold as the local weather starts throwing a fit.
I'm utterly convinced that our civilization is gonna go through something very similar to the Bronze Age collapse within 100 years or so.
For those who don't know what that is, around 1200 BCE, every major civilization around the eastern Mediterranean suddenly and violently collapsed, or at the very least declined significantly, within the span of a single human lifetime. Most major cities in the region were destroyed, never to be resettled. The surviving populations fled from the coasts, and resettled inland. Works of art became far less complex and refined. Literacy rates dropped sharply. Cultures stopped trading/communicating with one another and became highly insular. It took centuries for the region to recover. There is no widespread consensus on the exact nature and cause of the collapse, but there are two factors commonly accepted to have played some role that sound eerily familiar:
One of these was the spread of disruptive technologies that destabilized the existing military and social orders. Namely, iron working. Iron is more plentiful and superior to bronze for weapons manufacture in almost every way. Previously, military and economic hegemony had been precipitated on access to bronze. The great military powers of the time were those whose armies were based upon bronze weaponry and chariots. Now, lesser powers with access to iron were able to field large armies of iron-wielding infantry, which could overwhelm the smaller ruling caste chariot armies armed with bronze, previously the height of military technology. Second, and this is the big one, climate change. The climate at the time was going through a natural period of cooling known as a Bond event, but the localized effect of this was multiple consecutive years of drought and crop failure, which exacerbated existing socioeconomic problems and led to warfare, migration, and invasion, as a last-ditch effort for survival. This was at a time when, as stated before, the existing military hegemonies were being turned on their heads. Finally, social, political, and economic organization in the late Bronze Age period was becoming increasingly centralized, complex, and specialized, more tightly controlled by the ruling classes, such that states were unable to adapt to rapid, violent change, and once broken, were too difficult to reestablish.
So what do we have? A civilization too COMPLEX, SPECIALIZED, and TOP HEAVY for its own good COLLAPSED in the face of CLIMATE CHANGE and SOCIOECONOMIC UPHEAVAL exacerbated by TECHNOLOGY.
Climate change? Disruptive technological and societal change? Like, for example, artificial intelligence, automation, the internet, social media causing socioeconomic upheaval like job loss, wealth inequality, the hyper-polarization of political discourse, the rebirth of the far-right? And a highly specialized and complex economy controlled by centralized forces not sufficiently accountable to the rest of society (corporations, governments, and the ultra rich) that can't/won't adapt to rapid change?
Doesn't this just sound like the same shit happening again?
For those that are scared, I think it's best not to worry so much about the future and civilization as a whole. The big picture is bleak, but we as individuals don't really have any control over it. Just take life as it comes. Focus on friends, family, and community as much as you can. Try not to stake the entirety of your fate and happiness in fragile, abstract concepts like civilizations, economies, and governments, and focus on what's around you. Accept and try to prepare for hardship. Understand that the unquestioning comfort and convenience of life in a modern first world nation is not the natural way of things. Our ancestors have survived turmoil and strive just as bad as what's coming. Hell, there are people alive *right now* living in regions already going through collapse and upheaval like what's coming for the rest of the world through climate change. They survive. Life goes on for them. I very much doubt any of us on this forum are going to be around to witness the final extinction of humanity if it comes, so why spend your time agonizing over it? Humanity didn't evolve to live in global civilizations numbering in the billions. We evolved to live in small tribes of dozens and hundreds faced with constant hardship and uncertainty. We may have forgotten it, but it's what we're designed to be good at.
Things are going to be bad. Accept it, prepare for it, and don't resign yourself to wallow in self pity and defeatism. The biggest fuck you one can give to those who have brought our civilization to this point is to adapt and thrive in spite of them.
Fucking hell, every time I set out to write a paragraph or two about climate change I end up with a dissertation.
The concept of the Great Filter is both singular and multiple. One of the great filters is the evolution of multicellular organisms, but to surpass the great filter overall necessitates interstellar colonization to be maintained. That's the biggest step we haven't made and likely the one that encumbers other civilizations to death, too.
Other great filters include the evolution of genes and tool usage, but the ability to colonize other planets and stars is basically the final one for humanity if we can survive the greed of the highest caste.
Capitalism literally killed civilization.
I'll gladly start a manhunt to cull the remaining deniers after society collapses and I start my cult
It was one or the other who would live in the end
Yeah man lol fuckin awesome no drinking water for billions HUE HUE HUE, its COLD buddy man I gotta get that warm tshirt weather yeeeeeeee
Who CARES about environmental migration crisis lol I can go sunbathing kek
LOLOL what you mean widespread food shortages and nutritional decline in the world's most productive farming nations, ima just watch that on TV while eating my delicious food that totally won't be affected.
For the record, I genuinely hope you're being sarcastic. If not, I'm willing to be very ready to say something that would get me a ten month ban for flaming.
yet somehow it's the best option for us according to people who will still be saying that when equatorial areas are rendered impractical to live in
I hate to say it but it really is a situation of eat, drink, be merry. Shit has been so fucked that I have learned to live in the present at this point.
not gonna lie that random guy in that facebook post says it himself that we're gonna be effected last, in the meantime we'll just continue farming in the summer and grow crops until its summer everyday then farm 365 days a year. trust me, we have the space
While my country is quite far away from the coast, up until 2012, I remember it'd rain fairly frequently here. Especially in summer. If there was a hot day or two, you would know for sure that there'd be a nice thunderstorm with lots of rain coming either on the same day or the next. Rain was not something that was rare to have in summer. Rain would be something you'd whine about because it would come on that one day when you decided to take a day off from work. It was something people complained about because sometimes it would just rain too often.
In the recent years, most of the time I couldn't even tell you when the last time it rained was, because those times are so infrequent and so far apart that you almost forget that rain is actually a thing. Rain has become something that I actually look forward to in summer.
And that's not right at all.
I noticed during the past couple of years in PA it started to get absurdly hot during the summer, and recently absurdly cold during the winter from the polar vortex. I am pretty sure that it's not supposed to feel like the fucking Sahara desert when walking outside during the summer and not like Siberia during winter.
The last year that did not feel ridiculous weather wise was probably 2009 or so, not positive.
The problem with all of this is that the west will have to decide between being overwhelmed by migration from India and China or seriously bending 4000 years buildup of morality in order to cull their population violently.
Maybe i'm just not perceptive enough, but what are the non-cataclysmic solutions when Russia, China and America don't give a singular fuck while China and India are both failing at each their attempts at population control.
Before you get weird at me for bringing this up. the issue is that bigger populations require a bigger economy to stay alive. This requires more industry which means more pollution as well as more deforestation to make room for farming and crops.
Cutting emissions was the solution in the fucking 70's and 80's. we're way past that. We're already gonna suffer if we stop emissions entirely. Sea levels will rise, as it already does in Bangladesh and it definitely will displace people who then displace other people and so on and forth.
What solutions are left to a western culture so unwilling to compromise, except just killing the poor people on the planet? We've landed ourselves in an insane mess that probably won't go over well. no matter how much we try to cling to the moral high ground, other countries won't and then they'll just be the ones pulling the trigger. It's how history has always worked and it's how it will work with or without the west "playing ball."
i still have no clue whether you sarcastic. for everyone's mental health please tell us
I wasn't offering solution to stop and reverse climate change and fix all problems associated with it. I was offering a better mindset to have than "oh woe is me, we're all gonna die, we're so fucked, oh man oh god, waaaaaaah!!" which is what you usually see in threads like this.
I'm still genuinely wondering how we fix this aside from killing everyone else. We're literally 50 years too late to the solution we're trying right now and it's gonna end in us or them at some point where our morality and philosophy will say it's us that have to go, but our instincts and history will say fuck the chinese and indians.
So i'm asking here. What's actually gonna happen? because there's no way we're coasting through this without needless deaths from starvation or violence. That ship sailed...
Huh, another Danish facepuncher living in Aarhus? Aarhus Facepunch meetup when
If you're serious, God help you.
a lot of people are so used to politicized focus groups who set out to accomplish proving a point that they don't stop to consider that normal science is about researching whether or not a thing is a certain way, then explaining the results. This isn't high school debate club
Our species is due for extinction within the next two to three hundred years, societal collapse within the next 20 to 50. Better come to terms with it, because this is immutable now.
If the only way out depends on the entire human species suddenly changing their entire lifestyle or way of thinking and doing the right thing, you may as well give up now. Because there's a greater chance of getting struck by lightning the very next time you step out of your house than that actually happening.
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