Volvo is introducing a 112mph speed limiter to all its new cars starting 2020 - Sensationalist Headlines

Unless it comes with an insurance deductible, there is not really much reason to care.

I don't want to stereotype but I've met quite a few different people with BMWs that will get violent over nothing almost as if the cars are there standing in for something...

Yeah people can get around things, but not every person can. This isn't a limiter designed to stop people who want to mod or race their cars, this is designed to keep Timmy Teenager from taking the brand new Volvo his parents bought him when he got his driving license and taking it 150MPH down the highway because he and his friends wanted to see what it could do, only for him to encounter a slight road defect and have the car slide out of control into a ditch killing him and the passengers. Seriously, as someone who has spent plenty of time with people who love to actually race cars and such, there's a massive difference between driving at even 80mph and the ~140 that a good number of stock vehicles top out at. High speed physics isn't something that most average drivers deal with, and a speed limiter is literally there to protect them from themselves. Your argument is basically like saying "Well what's the point of putting safety equipment or security on/around nuclear reactors because people who know how to bypass them could just get around them and cause trouble". Yeah, it's possible, but unlikely, if you just opened a reactor with unlocked controls in the middle of central park you'd probably melt down pretty dang quick though eh?

Why would you need to overtake someone at that speed though?

totally reasonable pretty sure the highest speed limit in the US is like 80 or 85, 112 is well enough to overtake even at that speed

Driving 60MPH safely appears to be vastly above the skill level of the average driver living near me.

But when will they release Diretide?

When will what? Huh?

You got a study to back that up?

Volvo took away Diretide from us.

Thats not a good comparison... A car isn't a nuclear reactor, neither are the safeties behind a nuclear reactor even near comparable to a speed limiter set up by an ECU, that can easily be cracked by a bunch of blokes in a garage with a laptop or with an ebay chip. You're also not gonna destroy a whole area of 50km by doing 180km/h. OH, and fyi, 112mph is bulshit. That's a feel good measure. You wanna do something? Set it to 80mph. This isn't gonna stop anyone from crashing at lower speeds either way.

Introduce a speed limit for peregrine falcons and arrest those that don't comply

"cracked by a bunch of blokes in a garage with a laptop" lol, you have no idea what you're talking about but okay dude. That's not how it works, closest time it was ever like that was the early 2000's but alright. Like I said, there's plenty of ways to make it harder to crack, the big factor is that again, the minority of people who will bother doing so aren't the ones who are the majority of drivers. Also it won't but whatever because this thread isn't about low speed crashes or safety measures so lets not derail it?

Autobahn tracks are the one of the safest roads in Germany. In fact, they are safer than the freeways in most other EU countries.

For some reason people seem to think merging into their lane falls under Castle Doctrine.

On some of the freeways around here normal traffic flow speed outside of rush hour is often 100MPH (if you're Portuguese and drive the A1 often you know what I mean) It just depends on the road, on the particular freeway I mentioned 100mph is not scary at all and in fact feels like the most balanced speed for the road conditions.

closest time? what do you even mean with that? are we going back in time and getting harder to crack a car's ecu? is that it? there literaly are chips that you connect to the diagnostic port that alone can change how much power the engine makes, it really doesn't takes a set of spanners anymore, unless you're aiming for something more precise Heck, people around here almost always remap their cars. Will everyone do it? No, but then again, if we're talking about crashing a car, it takes way less to do it so... Why are you calling it a derail? I'd instead call it a suggestion of how you could improve safety instead of making arbitrary limits that CAN be changed if you really want to, AND that don't really change all that much.

No I'm saying that the computer usage in cars is getting more complex as time goes on and technology matures.

But he's not wrong in saying that car ECUs, even the most modern ones, are trivial to crack. My boyfriend did it to his 2018 BRZ, and it's not likely to change anytime soon.

It still isn't hard to crack at all. Sometimes, the younger the car, the easier it is even. Should be unrelated, but BMWs and Mercs are really easy to steal because they rely way too much on electronic signals to open the doors and start. All you gotta do is copy the signal transmited by the key, and use it near the car.

Sounds like plans to cut costs by being able to fit cars with cheaper tires because of speed ratings.

Yeah they are currently, but is that due to lack of trying or are car manufacturers seriously incompetent? If they wanted to they could lock it down pretty hardcore, it'd be almost trivial since they're in charge of hardware design as well as the programming of their own hardware. Also again as you said while you can pay someone to do it, how many people actually do it? What's the use case for the average driver? There isn't one, this limiter effects basically no one except retards who are saved because they have no business going this fast and people who have the knowledge and money to bypass it, plus whatever overlap there is between those two.

Bitch my ford truck from 1948 with a 95 horsepower flathead and solid beam axle has a factory top speed over 80 on rigid ass bias ply tires and 14 leaf spring packs.

what if you want to autocross it? is there any way to disable it without reflashing the ECU?

Why would you do that with a bloody Volvo lmao. What do Volvo even offer these days? SUVs and estates? Maybe a large saloon I think?

its not always competitive, it can be pretty hilarious, a friend autocrossed in a 83 volvo heritage l u l

If "among the safest world wide" is "pretty damn deadly", sure. Literally our safest kind of road lol

This is why I keep having to repeat the same points in every thread about speed, because people just hear the media and the police saying "speed kills" and just assume that, because the consequences of a crash get worse as speed increases, then that means speed is always counterproductive to safety, which is far from the truth. There are many cases in which raising a speed limit and allowing people to go fast increases safety. The "SPEED BAD" meme needs to die.

From what I can tell based on the statistics this has more to do with other regulations and standards that are imposed in Germany as opposed to just the speed factor. The roads are meticulously engineered and maintained, and are rated for higher standards than the US and other countries. It's apparently more difficult to get a license, and you're not allowed to pass on the right, which also inform apparent safety. Do speed limits reduce the number of road deaths? | News | thegu.. "the relationship between speed and road accidents has been studied extensively and is very clear: the higher the speed, the greater the probability of a crash and the severity of the crashes." Using the most widely accepted statistical model, drawn up by a Norwegian academic using data from 100 studies in more than a dozen countries, an increase in average traffic speeds of just 3mph – a typical change for a 10mph rise – would be expected to cause more than 25 extra deaths a year on motorways and more than 100 serious injuries.

It's also a failed logic because you could buy THE safest vehicle ever built, that is literaly safe for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, and have the exact same limits put on to it. Meanwhile, you could buy an authentic coffin on wheels, that isn't safe even at 80km/h, and you'd still have the same limits imposed on you. Like, no one would give a damn if you went 120km/h, despite being unsafe way below that. Then theres weather conditions, road conditions themselves (which have caused accidents), so on and so forth. I'm not the best example, but I've never had a high speed crash or anything close to it, probably because of concentration and threat/limitation assessment. I know what the car is gonna do in whatever kind of surface, what kind of corner, what speed, and I keep attention to the road in front of me and beyond, and not what's right after the bumper. As said, the problem isn't speed. The problem is lack of attention. A person's still gonna crash if they don't pay attention.