Minecraft creator Notch endorses the Qanon conspiracy
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Well, uh, that's a given. 50% of the population can't capitalize on a niche market, because then it wouldn't be niche anymore.
Pretty much everything you see popular with the alt-right is. Look at Pizzagate. Someone died over that. And where do you think SWATting started? Lizardsquad?
4chan has always had a history of creating hoaxes to make the "normies" do dumb shit but it's genuinely insane how far complete bullshit can spread and how damaging it is now. There's a reason they say Trump was elected with meme magic.
I genuinely believe 4chan ruined a generation of kids who did nothing but spend every waking moment they could on it because they were so ostracized for being whatever was seen as weird in their country/state/culture/school/whatever. Years and years of calling everyone a nigger and making gas the jew jokes and seeing gore regularly has fucked the heads of people. It's brought the fringes of society together in the worst way possible. I cannot think of any net positives that have been worth the site staying up as long as it has except a bunch of pedophiles being caught over time, but that's still not something great to have associated with your website...
The alt-right is just angsty libertarianism with even more ego, even less common sense and even more autistic screeching.
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you do not need a 125 IQ to code
especially the way Notch did
I code myself. It was my job for years. This idea that people are automatically stupid because we disagree with them about something is dumb. I see this on FP a lot, especially in PD. Dumb people and smart people can be just as irrational as each other.
I never said you have to be smart for "hello world", but writing a large application like a game, even with hacky code, is not something a retard could do like people here are suggesting earlier in the thread.
To play Nurgle's Loyal AIDS Advocate lawyer for a scummy meme hive, Project Chanology did quantifiable damage to Scientology, led to Germany revoking their religious status and placing them under severe investigation, and even literally rescued someone from the cult by shouting at Scientology to let them go when they appeared (and looked unhappy and distressed) at a second-floor window in a Scientology building while Anons protested outside. I personally showed up to protest my nearest location back then.
Now, having said that, Chanology was years ago and everything's just become infinitely shittier. 4chan could've been permanently killed in 2014 and the world would've been a better place -- until a replacement popped up and gained the reputation of being the 'new' 4chan. And we've already seen that happen with 8chan and other shit. In that sense, it's already too late, this is a hydra that can't be killed with violence.
yeah but 125 IQ is a huge overestimation for what is required
You don't need to be in the top 5% of people intelligence wise to code a game.
125 is the top 5%?! I didn't realise, honestly. Mine is allegedly 127 but I tend to assume the tests are kinda shitty ways of judging intellect anyway. 90-110 is considered average, so just read my post and substitute 'smart' with 'above-average.'
To paraphrase Stephen Fry about some of the chess grandmasters he's met, they're brilliant at chess but he wouldn't trust them to tie their own shoes. You can be very smart at one thing and utterly incompetent, inept, and ignorant about many other things. Notch is not even a "genius" programmer, he's an average programmer with a massive amount of luck and the sense to cash out when he did
Notch made a popular game, but that had at least as much to do with luck and taking advantage of opportunity than it did any actual unique smarts that only Notch can possess. The man is not John Carmack and he did not write the Quake engine, he's not some coder god.
No, not just any retard could write a program like Minecraft, but if you toss out all the retards that are too lazy to work on something for more than one hour before giving up, you have a strong shot at being able to teach the remaining retards enough coding, and for those retards to be dedicated enough, that a Minecraft alpha project could come out the other side. There are a lot of resources out there for how to code a game, including how to code a game from the low level by writing everything from the input loop to garbage collection. Amateur coding is something retards can do, they're just not likely to get anywhere unless they have dedication and put in the effort.
IQ is a very terrible metric for determining intelligence. It only measures one very specific type of intelligence and the entire IQ methodology is systemically biased towards Western education formats.
Also did you know your IQ drops one point every three years? The IQ scale is constantly being renormalized by 0.33 points a year to account for the global advancement of knowledge and knowledge efficiency.
Stop using IQ as a metric for judging people, it's all but meaningless unless you're talking about measuring a very specific and limited facet of intelligence.
If you took an online test, 100% it's bullshit. When I was 13 I scored 142 on online tests. I'm not that smart, not even close, but online tests are genuinely straight up bullshit.
The average IQ is 100, the IQ scale literally shifts to create an average at 100.
Notch is probably floating around 100ish, like most people. From what people who program say about the broken nature of early minecraft javascript, he's probably just a totally average person.
Also, having a high IQ doesn't prevent you from being wildly irrational and dying on stupid hills.
Also if you weren't given an IQ test in a timed supervised setting the score is worthless. I took an online test when in college and it said my IQ was 127, but you don't see me attending MIT and solving humanity's big problems.
Minecraft is really just a wildly successful infiniminer clone
Firstly, that is literally what I was saying. I don't get how people are reading things I never said. Secondly, why are you also suggesting I called him a genius? Somebody else said that and it is a total misrepresentation.
I also totally disagree with you on the idea that a stupid person could write Minecraft from scratch.
Online tests are indeed bullshit. I think I am probably just hovering at around 105-110. My grandma has an IQ of 150 and was tested by MENSA though. I did my test with Mensa, so it has more credibility but is not in any way perfect. Still, there aren't really any objective scales for measuring intellect, so we use what we can.
An infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of typewriters will eventually rewrite the source code for Minecraft Indev 0.31. Give a retard enough time and unlimited access to google and they'll make a workable game.
After all, FEZ was released.
It did ruin this generation no doubt about it. I briefly mentioned my sister's beliefs in Pizzagate, Holocaust being a joke, etc.
From age 12 she was on 4chan, mostly /b/, nowadays she's on /pol/. She took part in gore threads, website raids, and the deep web.
Her teenage years consisted of this and I only learned that part recently. Her lifestyle that we knew of included pissing in a bucket when the bathroom was 4 feet from her door, used tissues covering the floor, sleeping until mid afternoon, and watching anime. She'd throw a fit if we asked her to do chores of any kind, and was kicking and screaming on the floor when we told her we were disconnecting her internet if she didn't go outside for five minutes to water our mom's plants while our mom was in surgery.
When she ran off with her boyfriend in another state (whom we didn't know existed) over literally that, she and his family lived in secret in a foreclosed home for over a year straight.
These are the people that grew up with 4chan and they're ruining this generation and the world just to "own the libs".
That's more of a way to explain infinity to people than something we should actually be using to justify calling people dumb. Using that logic, literally everything we do is pointless because the monkeys could do it. I mean, I get your post is partly tongue-in-cheek but I feel like nobody has really read my post without infusing it with hyperbole.
I think you're just over thinking how smart notch is.
He's probably average. And even if he weren't, as you said, high IQ doesn't mean people aren't capable of stupid beliefs.
So if a high IQ doesn't preclude someone being an idiot, I don't see why criticizing their faults in the fields they should just shut the fuck up about, is bad.
People shouldn't blindly believe the media. Not because they're intentionally feeding you wrong information, but because they are just as biased as everyone else. Plus we live in a world where unless it's breaking news it isn't news, which leads media to do a shitty job fact/source checking because the story needs to be out five minutes ago in order to beat the competitors. This leads to a lot of news being inaccurate horseshit where you're only shown one (biased) side of the coin.
That doesn't mean conspiracies are real. It just means the media are shit.
But you know what's even less reliable and even more shit than the media?
Stories told to you by Anonymous people on the internet.
It wasn't intended to get that big, that's why it's in Java. IIRC he did say he would have picked something better than Java if he knew how big it would become, but it was too late to change without recoding the entire game from scratch.
iirc, I heard something about people talking about an operation from 8chan's /leftypol/ to fuck with /pol/ around the time qanon became a thing. Wouldn't be surprised if it was them and still is them fucking with them.
That's... actually not really the NPC thing. He isn't acting like he's enlightened and that other people are sheep, he's just observing the fact that people tend to fall into patterns using language that happens to be used by some alt-right folks right now, but unlike them, he isn't acting like he's above it.
It's only really concerning when folks imply that other people are NPCs but they aren't.
He probably wouldn't have honestly done that I think (even though really it did seriously merit that kind of a rebuild imo), his documentation and organisation ability isn't really up to par with the scale of the project as it was, much less a complete rebuild from the ground up. He wasn't properly committed to the project, and instead he picked what I think was the smarter option for him personally, sell out and wash his hands of the project.
Which means that I assume Microsoft gets to be the ones to make Minecraft 2 in not Java, and that's going to be a much better result for the consumer than if Notch was doing it.
Notch was an average coder with the right amount of work ethic and such to make a prototype of a very marketable idea and sold it off. He's not "bumbling retard ideas guy" tier but he's not the absolute genius people herald him as. I personally only see him as "smart" because he knew when to sell out and managed to do so, which is something lots of people fail to do, either because of artistic integrity or what have you.
I mean to be fair both the left and the right say this exact thing about each other
In my experience intelligence matters far less with a big project than persistence and actually just doing it. I consider myself a mediocre programmer at best and I have nearly zero experience with Java and 3d algorithms but if I seriously wanted to make a Minecraft clone I'm pretty confident I could pull it off, I just don't have much interest in dedicating the time necessary to doing so. Which is why most of my programming projects die before being finished.
Do you think Chris Poole ever lays awake in bed at night, wondering what his creation has led to?
How many people it has indirectly killed.
How it influenced international history.
I think he sleeps fine next to his google paycheck and Hiroshimoot bucks
Fuck, I'm sorry about that. Almost all of my closest online friends grew up with 4chan, I've been friends with them over a decade and have seen how they evolved.
All of them that did just so happen to now be Trump supporting, holocaust-downplaying, unironic red pill alt-right. I have a great time playing games and talking with them but then that stuff just comes out of the blue and it's jarring.
I genuinely don't know how 4chan became such a platform for these people as opposed to turning a generation into communists or ancaps or something, I guess it's the eventual endpoint of edgy and offensive humor? I wish people would do legitimate studies on this.
Wasn't this thing an overelaborate troll by lefties wanting to goof on the alt-right?
Like I've read some of the Qanon reports and... yeah no. This conspiracy takes the "Donald Trump, emperor of mankind" meme to the next level. It's way easier to believe that it's an overelaborate prank
I've cut out a lot of "friends" from 4chan after seeing them progress from fun weebs from /jp/ to full on /pol/. The toxicity became unbearable and I feel a lot better off without them in my life.
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