Artifact designer Richard Garfield is among the Valve layoffs - Sensationalist Headlines

Well, the good thing about Artifact is that it expanded on the Dota amazing lore and is very meaty in characters voicelines, and it has great art showcasing the world of DotA. So, as a DotA 2 players, thank you Valve for expanding the dota universe! Also, they should make Ricochet 2.

Remember how cool the tutorial for Dota 2 they put out was? The one where you play as Dragon Knight and then Sniper? It was the closest thing to Warcraft 3 I've felt in a decade, it was like I was playing an HD remake of the opening campaign missions where you just control Thrall or Arthas. They could have made a full game or even a small project like that and it would have been amazing. Instead we've never seen a single thing like that since 2013. Some of the seasonal events were neat but nothing like an actual narrative story. And then they never even really expanded on Dota 2 lore which was a shame since even the little character bios and such had me interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSEw_AVfJBY

While I really did not ask for Artifact, I assumed that as a Valve game it would at least be good, and that I'd eventually download it and enjoy it. But $20 asking price for like two decks? With a gameplay loop that basically forces you to buy more packs? $19 single cards on the market? No fucking thank you. I couldn't even get through a full match watching streams because it's so boring and confusing as an audience member. It's like the anti-Hearthstone.

Add it to the list of recent games that failed solely due to shoddy business practices

Played this on loop while reading through the thread, zero regrets.

That's not true, they did events that had PvE content for DotA 2.

Dota has a lore apart from being a mod for warcraft?

I won't put the blame completely on Garfield, he's perfectly capable of making card games that don't support that (Look at Keyforge, the sort of deck building and card trading he describes is literally against the rules, you buy a deck and that's the deck you've got). If Artifact is a pay-to-win game with aggressive focus on card trading and microtransactions, that's because that's the sort of game Valve wanted to sell, and Garfield was happy to oblige.

I would actually have played that game. Some of my favorite missions in StarCraft II and expansions were the ones when you controlled just a few characters with special abilities.

they should really talk about what games they are working on. TF2 took 8 years to develop, people assumed it was never gonna come out because it was taking so long but they had shown early versions of the game at some point at least. Modern Valve's shyness in showing off their process is making it so fans have nothing to look forward to.

Unless I missed a big one, none of them were close to how they laid out the tutorial missions. That's why I mentioned the seasonal events, which were definitely cool, but never really expanded on.

I know I've been memeing in pretty much every reply for this thread but I could not look past this https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1755/4a654267-cf51-497a-9118-3d5e73fa91b5/image.png needs an update

for some reason that bold-faced lie about it being the best ever reminds me of when Nathan Fielder persuaded a burger joint to announce on the radio that if you disagree it's the best burger in LA they'll give you a $100 and the owner of the burger joint was too stubborn to retract the claim so like $3000-6000 went down the toilet

the sad thing is that I would've given Artifact a try if it was F2P it already has the revenue model in place and keeping that $20 entry fee is a hard sell with all the additional cost card games bring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRZvUM6DvqI I'm convinced we finally ran out of valve laughing voice lines for artifact's mistakes for the past few months

I will use myself an example. I have been a Hearthstone player for 3/4 years, and have spent about 50€ on the game. That's a very low amount. I play the game very casually, mostly focusing on single player content. If I decided I wanted to be more competitive, I could probably afford to spend a little bit extra money on it. Every meta, I can build 1-2 competitive decks. Whenever a large amount of my collection becomes useless, I can "trade it in" for different cards; this is at a loss but better than nothing. Hearthstone is very greedy and hard to progress in, but as hard as it may be I have the chance to experience some of it, very casually. Let's say I wanted to start playing Artifact just as casually. I can't. Buying the game gives me two decks and 10 packs. The packs are pretty much assured to be trash, so that leaves us with 2 decks. These two decks, as all starter decks, are going to be ok-to-trash. After a month or so from release, a meta (as infantile as it may be) will have formed. More than likely, these two decks won't be competitive in it. In the best case, I will just need to tweak them, but it's more probable I will have to create a completely different deck. As new expansions are released, large parts of my collection will become useless. Heck, a large part of my collection is useless now because there are no meta or off-meta ("wacky", "fun", "meme") decks using them. These cards are as useless to me as they are to everybody else. If it were Hearthstone, I'd always be able to trade away my old cards for new cards (with a terrible conversion rate, but at least one that EXISTS and I can rely on). Also, once I build a deck and start playing it, I'm naturally accruing gold that I can later use to get more cards. I can play Arena which is basically free money, as either you get out of it as much as you got out of it, or you get extra rewards. Better yet I could even play one of the other cards games that are not as shitty. I haven't played Gwent since beta\release, but the way it worked is that just playing the game guaranteed a large amount of free content, since gold is very easy to rack up. So that's where Artifact builds down. Nobody plays a card game for just a few months. And Artifact promises you that it'll keep stealing your money.