[BREAKING] Livestreamed mass shooting in Christchurch Mosque, New Zealand
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I'm normally not the one to say this but now probably isn't the time to try to try to argue which side's psychos are worse. Last thing I want is for people to try to use mass murder as a point system to try to one up the other team.
It isn't about one upping anothers team, Fox News puts this narrative out their and they refuse to acknolwedge that Fox and Friends is radicalizing people to do this shit. As long as that keeping happening, this will continue.
40 dead
While you can't easily "reeducate" them, you can deprive them of their source of radicalisation as a preventative measure. A large amount of people will just stop bothering with the community, and the core will have to rebuild elsewhere, if at all; that sounds like a useful thing to do to me tbh
Sure, I don't discount it one bit. It was a tragedy just as much as this one is. I guess the point I was making was there were plenty of reports of them telling multiple students "they liked" not to attend school the next day. In my mind, that must mean they felt at least a strand of compassion towards another human being for a brief moment when doing that.
Where as I look at this case and think this guy must have been prepared to shoot anyone in front of him, even his own family members, his friends, even members of the community he came from /pol/.
Regardless, you are right, both are tragedies and the point I made makes no difference. Just something that I'm a little worried about, if these types of communities are spreading, it paints a grim picture for the future of humanity.
explosions reported at Auckland Britomart
First off, thank you for saying this because it already makes me feel better. The idea of us collectively forgetting about that man is wonderful.
But, while that may work for celebrity I feel it doesn't entirely translate to a website. A celebrity is crippled without their platform because it is how they reach their audience. But with /pol/ the audience acts as it's own celebrity and as long as there is an internet my concern is that they can freely recreate themselves a new platform, infinitely. I can't help but think of a hydra.
They're popular and only single sections nested in more reputable (marginally, in 4chan's case) websites, and a lot of their indoctrination can initially be seen - and is often excused away - as harmless joking. "It's the internet, fgt". In contrast, we'll use Stormfront as an example, which is a message board on its own specific website which is up-front about being an internet stronghold of self-proclaimed neo-Nazis and presents itself seriously. And if you're on Stormfront, then you're on Stormfront. If you're on /pol/ or /r/the_donald, then you're ostensibly "just" on 4chan or Reddit.
More secluded, openly vile places like Stormfront haven't become a mainstay of internet popular culture and aren't about to attract many impressionable innocents to them in the first place, and even the ones that do will discover almost immediately "oh, these guys are neo-Nazis, I better get the hell outta here." Hell, if you even hear of Stormfront, it's probably in a political context and if that political context has even one halfway decent person participating in it, you'll know what Stormfront is and to stay the hell away from it by the time you leave that discussion. If you ever end up there, you'll have been actively looking for it, especially since many reputable websites and boards often forbid even linking to it. By comparison, those two are just one cross-board link away from where many people just "hang out" and are mentioned regularly as merely "those boards no one likes". The gravity simply isn't there, and then people will stumble into it and get indoctrinated, especially since there'll be just enough similarity to the rest of their websites' culture to ease the unsuspecting into it. And then it's all too easy for it to just leak back out. Plus revealing you're from /pol/ or /r/the_donald will often be met with no more than "oh, you friggin' loser". By comparison, mentioning you're a member of Stormfront is likely to get you banned right there.
People won't just inadvertently congregate on Stormfront or the dark web and end up getting converted; you're often seeking those places out due to already being one of them. By comparison, /pol/ and /r/the_donald are "gateway boards".
Kind of reminds me. Imagine like 10-20 years ago, to be a neo-nazi you had to put in a LOT of effort and really be dedicated. You had to attend actual meetings, join a club, and make the commitment to be known IRL by other neo-nazis. By committing to this, you were risking your life and putting a lot on the line.
Now a days any 16 year old kid can hop on some board and instantly pick up these ideologies with no sort of consequence. It's pretty terrifying.
If you're going to say something like this provide a source or don't say it till you can.
best i could find, there's a couple other tweets like this.
https://twitter.com/geogoose/status/1106445744150441984
he also said in a later tweet that there was a second explosion. there's two backpacks there, according to this source:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213163
Very clearly been planned at an unknown site/chat room, and 2 years in advance. People were able to find some older posts of his to 8chan, so I'd think if it was through there it'd have been found. Could've even been on facebook where he streamed it, but I bet he found these guys in somewhere more specific like a nazi vbulletin forum and used irc to iron out the details.
apologies
https://twitter.com/GreaterAKL/status/1106445955509837824
turns out it might just be bomb squad detonating suspicious packages/bags
Controlled explosions after a suspicious bag was found.
I don't know what needs to be done to stop this surge of alt-right excrement. I just want something done. How many mass shootings is it going to take for people to wake up and realise they're a very real threat? How much insanity is the threshhold to get anything to happen?
Yeah, pretty sure they are already combing through everything he owns.
Despite there being no official report that this is over yet and they caught everyone, I think the NZ police are doing a really good job of handling this situation. They were not prepared for anything like this to happen yet they had an incredibly good response time and are taking steps to ensure everyone is safe.
I wouldn't be surprised if that bag mentioned before was completely unrelated and someone just left it behind, but the fact that they are taking these kids of reports seriously and are taking this sort of action to ensure everyone is safe is very comforting.
Fox isn't the only one doing it. Every politically slanted News Agency could be argued to be radicalizing people but not in a million years will they "acknowledge" it, that would be channel suicide. Neither CNN, Fox News, ect will say they are responsible for a mass shooting.
That's a fantastic point. I was thinking of it more as a meeting place and not as a easily-findable stumble-upon-able kiddie place that it is.
This whole discussion has actually reminded me of when they "shut down" Pirate Bay. It didn't root out torrenting, ha, but as a kid it did make the whole process a lot less cool and more scary because you had to go to new less familiar places. If the same could be done here then I suppose I agree with yall now.
Can you two fucking cut it out? We don't care about your shitty American politics or news companies when a tragedy just happened, and your president can't even address the issue or at least give some form of condolences?
American politics and your news companies are at the bottom of the priority list for everyone outside the US right now...
Jesus this is awful. The thread he posted it in originally was one of the most disgusting things I've read in a long time.
Man I don't know what to say, this is one of the worst things ive ever seen and if im completely honest im amazed it took this long for someone to stream a mass shooting, the writing was on the wall for this. Media hysterics and live streamed violence from warzones coupled with the idea that extremists incentivize extremists on the other side it was only a matter of time (I mean muslim immigrants committing terrorists attacks incensing nationalist extremists, NOT ALL MUSLIMS) and here we are, the 21st century's latest contribution to escalation and violence.
The internet, a source of overwhelming information, with placid islands, and echo chambers is fracturing society through positive feedback loops. Reinforcing subjective bias, reducing that by removing sites may cause a hydra effect. Human subjective diversity is splitting us apart by branching out abided towards differing domains.
I honestly don't think that would help. The country is getting more extreme on both sides. It will be seen by conservatives as an attack on them personally they will likely retaliate by wanting to bring up left wing or Muslim attacks even more. I live in California but in a farming community next to a college so I see conservatives and liberals bump heads often. The amount of bipartisan hatred between the two sides has increased and continued to increase over the last few years. Liberals see conservatives as monsters while conservatives see liberals as cult members. I think the only possible solution is to try to actually depoliticize the events and tragedies that occur. Every mass shooting or terrorist attack people jump onto the news or the internet to blame the other side and act as if they PERSONALLY caused these tragedies, which in turn makes the opposing side want to do the same when they get the chance. This violent act was "revenge" against other violent acts Muslims committed in the shooters eyes after all. People are seeing politics like a civil war with sides. Echo chambers and fanaticism are bad but by calling out a side I believe you are only making this issue worse. I know for a fact tomorrow when I walk through my rural town I will hear conservatives talking about how they have to be ready for the crazy liberals to take away their guns for this and then when I get to my job in the city I will be hearing liberals say how much of a monster these alt right people are and need to be stopped. I just think our country needs to depoliticize a bit so maybe things like this wont happen as much and people can start to see the other side as human again.
my brain feels like it's going to boil out of my head, I haven't felt so angry and helpless in a very long time now. Cut this cancer out at its root, enough is enough.
True, although I do agree with what someone else said in this thread that certain subs on 4/8chan act sort of like a gateway, in comparison to straight up individual sites that are very upfront about what they are.
Lots of people likely browse /b/ or whatever for memes, then one day they hear "/pol/ is the new best place to be", and out of curiosity they look at it and are slowly introduced to that sub.
Where as like someone stated before, that Storm(something) website that is full on Neo-nazis, you would only ever get there if you were actively looking for it, no other reason.
So while I do agree that closing down all sites like this could result in spontaneous creation of more of them, I do think there are some that just straight up need to be shut down.
Don't get me wrong, I completely sympathize, but yoink.
this, kinda. the internet is free yet integrates everyone, and its destabilizing interaction with politics makes sure any conflict will affect more of the totality of life than past generations have known. the only solution is just to regulate more in proportion just to hold things together, but you have to wonder how sustainable that is
this is standing proof of the statement that while a tongue is only 6 inches long, it can kill a person six feet tall. if only this could backfire on this racist, less than garbage individual.
Vigilantism? Fuck you, this is straight up terrorism.
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