[BREAKING] Livestreamed mass shooting in Christchurch Mosque, New Zealand - Sensationalist Headlines

metal gear solid 2 was right about literally everything

It's the opposite of that. The shooter's manifesto says he used a gun and not bombs (he had incendiary devices and at least one VBIED) because he wanted the US to start fighting over banning guns. He quoted a known alt-right commentator, then commented that he agrees with their ideals, but feels that commentator is too extreme. He outright states that he's trying to create as much division as possible, and threw in as much controversial stuff as he could just to rile people up and get them to fight each other. And right now the media, the Internet, general public opinion are doing exactly that, with gusto. He accomplished exactly what he set out to do, and every argument over these irrelevant points furthers his goals.

Solidus Snake was literally a better president than Trump Solidus did nothing wrong

This is pretty much it and it's what they usually refer to as "accerlationism", the idea of quickly bringing about the collapse of the west by fucking everything up and turning everyone on each other so they can finally purge the people they dislike and then install their own ideals on the reclaimed ruins. Pretty much the modern equivalent of burning down the Reichstag

I went to bed last night after feeling sick about this whole event. But the poster I was talking about climate change and mass migration because of it. I do not share the beliefs with these monsters that perpetrated the event in Christchurch, NZ. I find it abhorrent, Disgusting and Plain wrong what happened. Sorry for giving the wrong impression.

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Bluntly, he needs to disconnect and reject against clearly toxic vindictive figures. Whether it's social media or his own content, he needs to make them see him with the disgust that many do now. It'll take time and work, but it'll be in his favor. Plus it could broaden his audience, and I think it'd be a healthy point to work from. He doesn't need to use vinegar anymore, he'll attract more with honey. Again though, I don't see him as the clock but one of many cogs. I'm trying to think from his position as someone with generous resources and his already developed portfolio. He doesn't need controversy to find an audience. He's had near a decade of his career. He has the tools to do better. If I were him I'd use it towards something productive and try to better one's self.

Pretty much everything has been already said except one single thing that I find it very important: Be careful while browsing your social media. There are people showing the video uncensored either for news, for clickbait or just for the lulz ( ultra careful with this ones, it will usually play an unrelated video first and then jump into the gore ). Why I know that? because I fell for it this morning on Twitter, and my sister on Facebook a couple of hours ago. I gagged at the whole thing and feel very bad.

This isn't the best thread to delve into this topic, but I have been incredibly suspicious how much support Yang is getting, especially from /pol/ and former Trump supporters. Being backed by memes instead of policy just reminds me of Trump. I honestly don't know too much about him, and haven't cared to look deeper into him, but it's bizarre to see people jumping from one end of the political spectrum to the other.

i'm not entirely sure i understand this line of thinking. i mean yes he's created division, but... he's still clearly insane. i doubt all he wanted to do was get arrested and cause a turbulent news cycle for the next month or so. until this results in the kind of accelerationist social upheaval he apparently thought this one attack would somehow cause, i don't think it's exactly irrelevant to talk about the circumstances that led us to this point. i mean obviously like pewdiepie and shit is just ridiculous, but just because he co-opted real problems doesn't mean we can't talk about them anymore. it's not like we're playing jinx.

Political memes are propaganda, made "at home". We need to stop viewing them as a medium for propaganda and see it as propaganda in of itself.

The Yang memes (and resultant fanbase) are part of a concentrated effort by people with their own internal discord server that they use for planning and coordination. They have guidelines, copy-pastable responses, and pre-made memes which they use to constantly create Yang threads and put Yang memes and discussions into non-Yang threads. There have been accusations that this Discord channel is run by someone who works at the company that one of Yangs "image control" officials has financial ties to, but I cannot say that with certainty.

Telling PDP off for his relation to the events makes a similar amount of sense as telling news outlets not to encourage shooters by posting the fucking video and words. It's stochastic, the role he had is far removed from the actions but the promotion of the viewpoints by standing up for what he did rather than changing himself was part of an environment that encouraged it. Remember his promotion of E;R a while ago and how that was all played off as "just memes". The memes are on the guy's gun. He needs to listen to the "ebil sjws" and he needs to get solutions to the criticism he has been getting or log off. His brand depends on not doing this but the shooting is a wake up call. The far more direct culprits are people like Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen and Steve Bannon for exciting the public into believing they're at war and that muslims must be destroyed, the people like Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray for substantiating the feeling with false/misleading evidence, and /pol/, the daily stormer, and online nazis for turning radicalized people into killers. Those are far more worthy targets. Anyhow look for your local anti-fascists and help them out because they know about all of this stuff and are trying to prevent it. Fight against Executive Order 13769 (the muslim ban). Fight Islamophobia.

I remember lurking /pol/ actively between 2015 and 2017 when Trump's name and face started getting plastered everywhere everywhen. I was in it for the memes but the last straw for me was when /pol/ started taking the fetishism of Alfred Rosenberg's utopia very seriously. When Trump was sworn to power in January 20 2017 /pol/ just lost it and went full Hitler. I'm pretty sure nazism was a huge theme before but in 2016 people became way too confident after November 8 2016. 8chan /pol/ is literally internet hell. After some time I dropped the whole red-pill thought process because I just don't want to be angry anymore. I really don't. I started to consider all this non-sense superstitious. I do have to admit that/pol/ r/T_D and r/TRP taught me to love myself, little things like mental & physical fitness, hygiene, wardrobe and so forth. That's all they can teach you. Everything else is just bullshit and troll. I still love women. My point is forums like /pol/ or r/T_D has a lot of posts that just click with lost and miserable men who don't know what to do with their shitty regrets. I'm willing to bet that the shooter was already an asshat before discovering 4chan/8chan but after that it was just mental masturbation 24/7 and turned from an asshat into a dickhole. I really don't know how to regulate boards like /pol/ and /pol/-related forums. Maybe remove them from 4chan? Might work. But 4chan isn't exclusively a far-right propaganda website. Boards like /fit/ /o/ /tv/ /ck/ are great and even better than certain Reddit sub-reddits. Bottom line is I'm glad I bailed all this bullshit, it actually did wonders to my wellbeing. I also had a chance to watch that video. It really fucks you up. You think you're desensitized after lurking r/watchpeopledie and gore threads in 4chan (those mexican cartels gutting a cop and his son with audio on...) but the way the shooter executed his plan... Maybe I should stick with combat footage. The shooter was pure evil. He did every professionally, like in Modern Warfare 2 airport mission and was so casual about it. Viewer discretion is seriously advised.

It's less that you should stop talking about issues but rather just be aware of these peoples intentions and try not to jump at the shadows they're deliberately creating. Nobody is saying not to talk about gun control or the effects of the alt right, it's more the other stuff, like pewdiepie for example, that he throws in just to get people fighting. It was like the pepe memes, which they used to maximum effect to get people to harass people who thought they were innocently sharing a meme and deliberately divide people.

Meme's original definition is a sort of transmission. Something that can be replicated. I know it sounds silly but someone brought up Metal Gear Solid 2 and I'd like to add: look up this Metal Gear Rising:Revegeance scene about the character of Kevin explaining memes to Raiden. It's timestamped too. In short, it started as a term for DNA which definition became more broad to define something that is repeated and spread around. From liking a band and telling your friends about it to simple things, like grandma's homemade cough medicine that her own grandma taught her. Ads are basically a sort of meme that ends up working on many because it spreads the information about its product. But then there's the bad ones. Like anti-vaxxers. Or whatever this fucking nutjob had in mind when he went on his rampage. They're basically like any microbiological entity/virus that spread and "infect" the mind of people. Either as a culture/folklore to horrifying views about others. Or easily replicating jokes on the internet. Basically, /pol/ is a cesspool of these bad memes that grew as this horrible virus that infected many and one strain of it got loose ended up causing innocents to die. So yes. Memes can be weaponized and were in some fashion throughout history.

I'm actually not really surprised something like this happened. I'm more surprised that backlash terror attacks didn't happen sooner after what happened in Norway. I don't mean this in an offensive way, it just seems realistic that there'd be more radical response to radicalism because there's plenty of fucked up white supremacists in the world with guns and the means to commit atrocities. Though I'm very fucking confused as to why distribution of the video (not talking about it here, there's very obvious reasons why it's banned on facepunch- I'm talking about in general) is very strictly forbidden across the internet. I'm pretty sure it's illegal in NZ to even distribute it at all. If it's about not reinforcing ultra-right wing radical rhetoric, then that's plain stupid. There's plenty of torrents still left on 4chan. Alt-right people are still going to get it. The manifesto is still on a public PDF and all it takes is a google search. It just hides it from people who won't go on those venues to find it. Those people tend to be non-ultranationalist/alt right. It's a terrible video but there's a lot to learn from it. (I don't fucking mean that in a political way) Especially for people who are in security/first responder/military related careers. How mass shooters attack, what they do, etc. etc. It can help save lives if it's everyday knowledge on how to reduce casualties in these events if actual data is extrapolated from it by understanding how the shootings work in the first place. This information can be really useful to the public. Not the video in particular, or mass shooting recordings in general, but what can be learned on what to do in the events of these shootings. I think it's really necessary. I won't go into the details of the video, but it's bad. People got stuck in corners, and tried hiding and playing dead. That doesn't work and didn't work at all. It's fucking stupid that people should be educated about general safety when you identify yourself in the middle of a mass shooting, but it could definitely reduce casualties and save some lives if information on what to do and what to consider was out for the public. It kind of looks like it'll become necessary because there is a huge explosion of mass shootings and mass killings internationally.

After reviewing the massacre, I think I've had my fair shares of horror for today. That poor woman screaming for help, and the shooter.. finishing her with two bullet. How can a human be so heartless and emotionless against that? Sigh. Humanity, sometimes.

Then let people facilitate information and develop these plans themselves. Like I said, for people who can deal with it, there's still things you can learn from the video on what you can and could do if you're victim to these kinds of things. The fact that it's literally a banned video (i'm not referring to the forums, a site can ban whatever material they want- i'm referring to the distribution of it in general) is just a double standard and it's also a pointless ban because it's not working. 47 people died in 12 minutes. The municipality can have the police department create an educational pamphlet and distribute that to the people who live there locally. It's not as expensive, and as difficult as it may initially seem. That pamphlet can then be put on the internet, and anyone can post it and read it, see it, on any social media avenue.

Seriously pissed how much people everywhere waste time involving Pewdiepie in this sad story. Pewdiepie has nothing to do with all this, no more than Initial-D or my Serbian friend on Steam who made the remove kebab video go viral many years ago. He could have just as well done a Fortnite dance, it's a meme, and Pewdiepie does not radicalize people. I understand that right now, in the time of a tragedy, we'll all looking for explanations, it's perfectly normal, it's a human thing to do. But then blame /pol/ or t_d, leave Pewdiepie out of it, because he clearly has nothing to do with this. It's just bait.

So with these pamphlets, instead of 47 people dying it'll be 40. Amazing. Not trying to diss on your intent, I know you mean well, but we can't live 24/7 ready at any second for an attack, frankly I don't want to live in that paranoia. We need to target the people, and the communities, that cause this to happen

There's no reason for a layperson to watch a graphic video of people dying, so they know how to react in a mass shooting, just to go outside. First responders will likely disseminate the video and adopt new procedures and such, but your average Joe doesn't need it.

I never stated people should be living in paranoia, I'm stating that people should at least have some kind of information, knowledge, or training on what to do if they find themselves in a shit fucking situation. That's called being prepared. You don't have to be constantly thinking about it all the time. You'll be thinking about it when it finally matters. This delves into hypotheticals but I wouldn't downplay that idea as much as you did at all. The bulk of the 40 people killed in the shooting were clustered in a corner because absolutely nobody had any idea what to do. No one was aware of the exits of the building, and everyone hid away because they didn't have an idea of an escape or evasion from the shooter. If at least half of the people in the building were displaced, arguably about half of the people who were killed that day could've possibly survived. I watched the video and analyzed it, so if you want to pick that apart you should get some info from it too. You can target the people, which is what should be done, and target the communities that create these people, but that's an even more delicate topic because it has to be handled carefully. It's too much of a big topic to even delve into but that's aside from the point, I never stated that idea isn't important either. I'm focusing on when the shooting happens, what can be done to reduce casualties before first responders arrive. It's identically similar in principle to first aid.

I've been reading that it took the emergency services about 20 minutes to arrive on the scene so that's probably a good place to start.

It's up to the person in question if they feel they need it or not. It's a piece of disturbing media but that doesn't necessarily mean it should be banned across the internet in certain countries. Media censorship is just plain stupid.

I watched that video cause it feels like its going to be me at the end of one of those barrels and I want to know how to react, if the right dosen't shape up and stop radicalizing people it could be that gets shot at a climate change conference.

Now here's a hotter take: I think places like /pol/ or t_d shouldn't be nuked. They should be moderated. People get radicalized on /pol/? Then deradicalize them by putting up some barriers. I believe in hate speech and physical threats being forbidden by law, and that should apply to the internet. When you ban extremists, you're just telling them to go elsewhere. No, let them stay and tell them to behave. Sure, some might leave to find some place else... but then you've managed to split them. Better than having them all leave in frustration in search of a new safehouse.

And how are you going to enforce moderation?

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1106646639274528768 What a despicable cunt. Glad to know our piece of shit POTUS stands side to side with white supremacists yet again.

You know the thing I find most despicable about Remove Kebab being meme'd by right-wing twats is that the SERBIA STRONG video is clearly taking the piss out of the genocides committed by the Serbs at the behest of Karadzic, especially since it juxtaposes footage of Karadzic in the field being "mighty" and him at his war crimes trial, looking like a defeated and deflated shithouse Eraserhead extra.