[BREAKING] Livestreamed mass shooting in Christchurch Mosque, New Zealand
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I hope not, as much of a threat to society this guy is, executing him will only make him a martyr.
Wow really cleared that microscopic bar didn't they, props to them, I am clapping at my monitor right now, incredible
What most of T_D is actually doing is attempting to blame this squarely on the left, while also perpetuating the exact same lunacy that this guy lived by. It's a shithole, lowest of the low, and a breeding ground for extremism. Condemnation in the face of that is utterly worthless
My residential ISP hasn't blocked it but my cell phone carrier 2degrees has. Wow.
You mean, while you on the other hand are taking the time to blame the YouTuber he name-dropped as a meme instead of turning your attention to the actual killer?
You're right, Pewdiepie isn't in any way responsible for those deaths.
Holy fucking shit you're still defending him, he wasn't just namedropped, Ben Shapiro was featured in his videos.
There is a pipeline leading from Ben Shapiro to the /pol/'s that radicalize people along the way, giving him a platform ironically leads to actual fucking violence. This shows you that ironic racism and toxicity is still fucking toxicity.
It is, but my point was still to show that there's a difference between T_D and /pol/ since only the former condemned the attack.
you people fucking disgust me
ban me from these god forsaken forums forever
In the context of being a meme? Yes. Because there are lots of Ben Shap memes that have nothing to do with promoting his ideas, if anything, many of the memes related to him mock him.
In the context of promoting his politics/ideas? Giving him a "platform"? Hell no dude, did you even watch?
Calm down buddy
Shapiro and everyone else like him could probably seem more legitimate if they proposed a solution to the problem. At least they would if it weren't for the fact this problem is what makes them money so providing actual solutions would be bad for them personally.
Honestly coming from someone with the name and avatar referencing one of the worst mass-killers in history, I'm not sure if you're really trying to be serious about blaming Pewdiepie for actively radicalizing people.
there's literally no difference between the two except for the minor decorum of condemning it, the magabomber was radicalized by fucking facebook, the ideology of hate is the same at all levels, if we got rid of pol like we got rid of the Daily Stormer, the hateful ideology would still spread. They all have blood on their hands and saying that you don't condone them won't stop future attacks from happening.
My point is that this difference is barely relevant on account of them being a breeding ground for the exact same sort of extremism, some of it within these "condemnations". I'm not stopping you from pointing out that difference, I'm stopping you from pointing it out unaccompanied by criticism
and so it starts again
why don't these airhead thickskulled retards realize that shit like that just encourages more attacks.
The Donald is NOT better than pol, the only reason it appears as such is that upvote/downvote systems are skewing your view and t_d mods are quick to hide blatant shit because Reddit admins have been looking for a way to delete them without a martyrdom since 2016
You’ll find condemnation and downplaying on all 3 places, but the different mechanics of each site will give you a different look. For instance an OP on 4chan might praise the shooter and get dozens of replies ranging to agree to flaming negative, but all the replies bump that statement back to the front of the board
They do realize that. That's what they want.
Well in my opinion T_D is not as bad as /pol/. Now, hear me out. On T_D, people still want to have serious conversations, and idiots who spout shit like "MAGA!!!!!" all day long are mostly ignored. Dialogue and criticism are actually encouraged, though they do tend to go in circles like you'd expect. It could be better, but it could be worse. On /pol/ you can just whatever bullshit you want and say things like "i miss gassing the kikes, race war when?" and some if not most people will take it seriously.
I never even disagreed with the first observation, what I thought was unwarranted was making it without any accompanying criticism, I didn't expect you'd go into an even more unwarranted defense of T_D. Open to dialogue and criticism? Are you serious? By what insane standards?
You pretty much echoed shit that keeps me up at night, I have a couple friends I feel are in similar boats as yours. I unfortunately haven't come up with any answers for those questions, nor a way to approach the topic with them in a way that isn't insulting or angry. It really doesn't help that any political discussion with them these last couple years has been (I feel) incredibly dishonest, and I would often be flatly dismissed or shouted down. The particular topics were ultimately pretty fucking petty, which makes the whole thing hurt even more because what the fuck was the point?
I don't know why, maybe it's out of fear for what I might think, maybe they've been convinced by some assclown on the internet not to trust "leftists" and I happen to fall in that massive dragnet, maybe i'm the ass of a big goddamn joke, I don't know and I don't feel they're honest with me about a lot of things. I often fear for their state of mind and well being when these kinds of things happen, or other hyperpartisan geopolitical happenings. And it makes me feel like shit that I even have these concerns with such longtime friends, and I don't know what to do.
I saw this recent article by the blogger Mark Manson which was recently posted, and kinda touches upon how to get people to challenge their perceptions: "Who the Fuck Am I?"
Skip down to around the middle of the page at the part where it talks about the Black KKK Member TED Talk (the "How to reinvent yourself" section).
Below is perhaps one of the most inspiring TED Talks I’ve ever come across. It’s not filled with mind-blowing ideas. You’re not going to get huge takeaways that you can immediately run off and implement in your own life. The guy isn’t even that great of a speaker.
But what he describes is absolutely profound:
Daryl Davis is a black musician who has traveled and played blues shows all over the US south. In his career, he’s inevitably run into a number of white supremacists. And rather than fight them or argue with them, he chose to do something unexpected: he’s befriended them.
This might sound insane. And maybe it is. But here’s what’s more insane: he’s convinced over 200 KKK members to give up their robes.
Here’s what most people don’t get about value change: you can’t argue someone out of their values. You can’t shame them into valuing something different (shaming them actually often has the opposite effect—they double down).
The article goes on after that with more elaboration, but you can read the rest there.
By internet standards. Take that as you will. I do not want to be defending T_D, but we're comparing it to /pol/ here.
Can't we all just get along?
Top guns pump says 'knock knock!'
Just took a look at 8chan pol. This site should be treated like an ISIS propaganda site. Could not give a shit if there are "some good boards" on there or whatever, raid the servers and shut it down.
Just found this: (mods, if this ain't appropriate, just delet this post)
A bunch of subreddits got banned. From what I can tell they were sharing the manifesto around.
yeah but the_d when
Can Reddit also ban r/The_Donald for being a recruiting tool for Charlottesville too, while we're at it??
I literally do not care one single tiny slight bit about the other boards that would be lost if 8chan and 4chan were to be raided and shutdown. I've been on Facepunch for 11 years, but if there was a board on here where terrorist propaganda was allowed to be openly posted like what I just saw on /pol/, I'd support the authorities shutting this site down as well, and it would be the site admins' fault for choosing to allow that kind of shit to be hosted on their servers. The chan sites don't get a law-proof shield just because they also feature non-terrorism-promoting boards alongside the bad ones
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