[BREAKING] Livestreamed mass shooting in Christchurch Mosque, New Zealand - Sensationalist Headlines

Good moderation helped. Most of the really right wing posters got banned in the end for being awful people. Places like 4chan and reddit allow for these sorts to exist and let their views flourish.

Not known at this time. This could very well be one of the original 4 taken into custody. Too early to speculate

Facepunch is proof that strict moderation is better than "free market of ideas" bullshit like 4chan or parts of reddit

i've seen way too many racists post the 'subscribe to pewdiepie' meme by now that it can't just be an unfortunate coincidence. it's super clear he's not doing remotely enough to disavow that part of his fanbase, or there's something about his content that attracts them. either way it's the worst possible look.

I imagine the strict moderation played a part, where you were actually forced to defend and articulate your opinions instead of being able to get away with alt-right drive-by shitposting.

Probably right. In facepunch you cant really just run from confronting other opinions like with reddit.

Btw notice that Reddit banned a good portion of the dogshit that filled their website and the world didn't fucking explode from the wrath of the incels notice how it's way harder to find other incels now it's almost like not giving them a platform is a good idea

What do you expect him to do? Even if he said "Racists please stop saying subscribe to pewdiepie" they are still going to do it... It's not like he personally can go and stop all of them from saying that shit.

Well I would love to have him make a video telling the alt right to fuck off. I think that would be rather effective.

I don't know, I feel like a terrorist would measure their own success by how much terror they enact. It's a little early to say for certain, but so far I'd say he's doing "great." So yeah, he's a monster. It's not like I'm praising the fuck, calm down lol. It seems you're (deliberately?) misinterpreting what I am saying? I'm not calling him an actual genius, I'm saying the media and government are currently poised to play right into his hands.

What the above user said. He needs to do more than just say 'please don't say that'. He needs to tell them they have no place in his fandom, and they're pathetic, and to fuck off. That might be a good start.

Too bad r/The_Donald is still up though. That shithole played a part in organizing Charlottesville too, so this isn't just my inner snowflake libtard speaking.

https://twitter.com/WajahatAli/status/1106408644181139456?s=19 Strong thread about this. Remember the Québec mosque shooting Remember the Pittsburg synagogue shooting. This will keep happening as long as we let this ideology spread and let kids be radicalised online. Nuke the radicalisation communities now. We fight online ISIS recruiting, this is no different, and leads to the same results. A bunch of innocents dead on the floor. This is more than ever a battle of ideas. And everyone who argues about the free speech of nazis seriously needs to take their absolutist googles off and look at the real world consequences of allowing ideologies of death to spread.

The thing is Facepunch actually has had that attitude broadly. You can't be outright hateful, but otherwise you can have whatever views you want and post about them. What Facepunch does enforce however is standards. You can have dumbass views, but you can't just shitpost, you can't expect to be able to just silence dissenting views, and you can't run rampant.

Did he really just link to Breitbart, and in response to this? What's next, a Stormfront link?

Seriously, how has PewDiePie become associated with the alt-right? My impression as someone completely ignorant on it, is that members of the alt-right want to find an influencer with influence on the youth to "get them while they're young," so they force themselves into unsolicited association with him, and PewDiePie does nothing to push against it, which the alt-right take as implicit approval. How wrong am I from my assumption? That said, I don't think PewDiePie had anything to do with this terrorist attack. Him spouting "subscribe to PewDiePie," was just another one of his memes. It only forget shows how impressionable the attackers are.

To play Trump's advocate, I (think) this was before the shooting. Nevertheless, for what it's worth, I don't expect Donald to respond with any tact regardless once he does catch wind of this.

Another point: his manifesto espouses the ideals of accelerationism. In accordance with his goals, he wants his enemies (ie: the"invaders" and the governments abetting them) to push back against everything he roped into this awful mess, so that his side can push back and escalate. Getting incensed does nothing but play into their grimy hands.

He had a few slips meant as jokes that went over terribly with the mainstream media that painted him in this light as a racist. There might have been others, but the two I most distinctly remember the time he dropped the hard-R-N-bomb on stream, then the time he got one of these foreign organizations to chant "Hitler did nothing wrong" as an edgy joke.

What a bunch of wackadoos

Timeline basically goes Pewdiepie tries to change his image and mature his humor Becomes edgier as a result Develops a newer fanbase of adult guys who would have hated him previously Does a joke a little too edgy and does the all jews must die (or whatever it was) joke The media goes apeshit In defense of edgy humor accidentally appeals to a large portion of his new fanbase (and more) who are alt right and with whom those views, while not necessarily alt right in themselves, are highly compatible with the alt right Drops the n-bomb, his more conservative or outright racist fans jump to defend him and become even bigger fans as a result Campaigns against Indian corporate youtube T-Series, racist fans pay more attention to the "indian" part than the "corporate" part And we're here! That's how pewdiepie accidentally brewed an alt right neo-nazi fanbase, and until now I'm sure he's remained silent about it because even if he (hypothetically) doesn't approve of them allies are allies. He should have tried to stop it while he could. He should try to stop it now

Good job /pol/ you absolute waste of life, now their most likely going to have motivated some revenge driven vigilante go to a alt right or incel parade and shoot up the place.

I'm now picturing what an Incel parade would look like and if I didn't need a drink before I could go for one now.

I agree with this, but I think the main problem is people are scared to lose freedom. (And I don't mean the whole murica guns freedom shit.) Generally speaking, I would assume the average person doesn't support nazis and such spreading their ideologies online. But, how do we restrict these without just straight up censoring online freedom? The government knows no limits. I've seen members from both parties already using this situation to get political advantage and promote their policies, and it's fucking disgusting. For example, I personally do not support any of this nazi bullshit. In my opinion sites like 4/8chan and similar should be closed (Yes, yes I know the whole site isn't responsible yadayada), but I then also have a problem with that, because then where do you stop? Should Facepunch then be closed as well? (IMO no.), so then how do we go about restricting these ideologies without compromising online freedom that every sane person should be entitled to? That's the tricky part of the debate that no one wants to touch.

Did you just unironically say that pewdiepie is an enabler for the Alt-Right movement?

That's what they want you to believe but that's completely false. Less people being exposed to their ideology means less people being radicalised. Opposing them will weaken their movement - see how anti nazi action and rallies after charlottesvilles killed dozens of far right rallies. Theses people already murder innocents today. There's nothing to "escalate". They want you to believe that opposing them is the wrong move, when it is. Hitler said himself that the only thing that could have stopped the rise of nazism was it being violently crushed early on.

This is honestly delusional. Uttering the words "pewdiepie" and "enabling" in relation to anything about this tragedy is just fucking stupid.

Gloomy's post explained it better than I could; he doesn't actively court the alt-right, but he's still ended up being a meme-y figure for them and hasn't done anything to prevent said association and fanbase, hence enabling.

Nope, shooting was at 10 EST, his tweet was at 11 EST.

Why should he have to do that? Why is silence taken as his tacit approval of the alt-right portion of his fanbase?