Reasearcher unvocer Chinese database listing "BreedReady" status of women

[Anderan]

By the time the 1st Opimum war had happened the Machus had recently killed 25 million and massively damaged the Chinese economy in their takeover of China. The "if x hadn't done y the z wouldn't have happened" is a never ending spiral. Whether or not the Chinese could have fully modernized in the same way as the Japanese is entirely conjecture.

Dystopian shit in China was not a post opium war thing anyways. This is a culture that for a time had an issue of "literary inquisitions" where poets (and at times their entire families) were put to death for minor perceived slights against the emperor.

[TornadoAP]

The point I'm trying to make is that history is a series of interconnected events. Whether you like it or not, the Europeans are at the very least indirectly to blame for a lot of China's current problems.

[Anderan]

And the claim that everything was fine until the Europeans showed up is entirely bunk, which was what started this entire discussion.

[TornadoAP]

I never said that. I said that China was arguably a stronger power than the Europeans between their economy, their population, and their influence.

[Anderan]

You didn't say it no but it was the comment that started this whole discussion chain. No, you claimed China was "arguably more powerful than any European powers at the time" which is very arguable.

I can find nothing to indicate their influence was particularly strong at the time, or at least as strong as you seem to think it was. The Chinese cared little for anything happening outside of China and their influence was largely limited to Asia and even that was starting to be challenged by the 1800s.

[Talvy]

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SocialCredit(1);
} else {
SomeoneElseMakeThisJoke();