• Obsidian's "The Outer Worlds" spotted on Epic Game Store
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Indeed it is when you stop reading after half of it!
Ooft. https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1108592348676579328
No, you fucking don't. If you take orders, you're responsible for giving them? Do you hear how contradictory, and stupid this is? No, you don't.
Wowee if it wasn't for the Epic Store you couldn't play the games that are only on the Epic Store as a result of the Epic Store existing, let's hear it for the Epic Store everybody.
From what I've read all of the files are protected and if you modify any of them the game will not launch. So basically, you're fucked for mods.
Afaik, OW is gonna be running on UE4 which, from what I hear, is notoriously difficult to mod anyway so it's not like I'm losing that much on that front
I thought Obsidian said the possibility for mods is pretty slim anyway?
Not entirely true. Files are protected but not difficult to edit. That's not what's stopping us from modding this game though.
Lol it’s a little different when you’re in a company making games compared to an army killing Jewish citizens
Misunderstood his post and you're misunderstanding how guilt is shared (It's not). Look, it's not that the employees of Obsidian who had nothing to do with this decision deserve to lose their jobs or financially suffer as a result. However, refusing to hold companies responsible for their decisions because you want to protect the low-level employees is not reasonable. That is just the company using its employees as a shield against the consequences of its actions. It's not about "the low-level employees deserve it because they share guilt", it's about "we can't just refuse to hold companies accountable because they employ people who didn't make the decision we're upset about."
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/epic-says-itll-eventually-stop-pushing-for-exclusives/ 'We're trying to socialize a new financial model' Is it just me or does that read like "We're trying to Stockholm enough people into using our service to make it sustainable"? Because it definitely reads like that, if you cut through the PR waffle.
I don't know much about PC gaming. Can someone tell me why this is such bad news?
Buying into the market to obtain presence is a strategy that's used unilaterally across many markets.
Oh sorry. I didn't read all 12 pages. Still fuck the Chinese government tho
Epic's storefront is worse in every considerable way for customers. Compared to Steam, it's just worse. Epic, instead of competing by providing a better service, is just bribing developers to remove their games from Steam and put them onto Epic's store. Customers don't like this because they want to buy games on good stores, not garbage ones.
Hypothetically - and I know this is a completely unrealistic scenario, but bear with me - what if Epic were to suddenly get every feature Steam has overnight, as well as equally as good policies in terms of returns, pricing, customer support, and all that jazz? Even in that scenario, how many people would A. even buy the game on Epic if Steam were still an option, or B. still be mad at Epic if it remained exclusive?
Where are you sourcing any of this? Last I checked; Google offers their software on both iOS and Android (Despite being heavily invested in the Android market.) Apple still has an OFFICIAL tool to boot Windows onto your Mac. Apple still let you use Airpods with an non-Apple device. Basically all motherboard companies allow you to use whatever CPU you want as long as it's the right chipset, they have no opinion about what RAM or GPU you use even though they could very easily partner up and make some proprietary bullshit. Your car lets you put off-brand wheels and parts on it. These are all examples from companies that have substantially more money and global impact than Epic. They all have the money and influence to sign deals with certain companies, and make it impossible to use their product in conjunction with anything else other than another specific product. But they don't, even though they easily COULD. By supporting Epic, you are indirectly supporting the business model of isolating your product and not even allowing competition, as well as promoting the thought process of; "Fuck consumers, we only care about developers." Imagine if; Google REQUIRED you to have an Android phone and a Windows PC to even use their web gmail client. Apple completely removed the official Windows Bootcamp tool and implemented hardware restrictions to stop you from booting another OS. Apple only allowed Airpods to connect to an iPhone. Gigabyte signed a deal with Intel and Nvidia so that only those chips work on their boards, as well as signing a deal with GSkill to only allow their memory to work on the motherboard. Hell maybe they even sign a deal with a certain case manufacturer so that their board only fits in a certain case... Your car was built in a way where the only way to get it repaired was to send it back to the manufacturer, and pay whatever fee they decide to fix even a basic problem such as a faulty headlight. Damn you really are promoting a bright future for consumers.
First off, providing examples of businesses not doing something doesn't mean that platforms have exclusive content literally all the time. Both digital and physical stores do it. They're just different business strategies. If you want an example with one of those very same companies, you can only buy new macBooks from the apple store or best buy, who have a deal with Apple. It's not the exact same thing as a company buying exclusive distribution rights for a period of time as the products are produced by the company selling them, but it's your example. Secondly, every single thing you listed has a fiscal barrier to entry- some physical or digital product you need to buy. Both steam and the Epic client are free. You know this. Not that product incompatibility WOULD be anti-competitive (there are literally examples of this just about anywhere you look), but because you overlooked this simple thing your examples are straight up apples to oranges. This isn't even remotely true. Sales partnerships are literally a part of a free economy, which ultimately benefits the consumer, as well as other entities acting within that economy, such as developers and publishers. Sales partnerships are a great way to enter a new market segment against entrenched rivals, which is exactly what epic seems to be doing- they said they are only buying titles now, to get a decent user-base. It's a different form of competition. Yeah, it might not look like your absolute most favorite outcome right at this second, but you aren't the only person in this economy. Epic is entering the market in a completely legitimate way which will ultimately end up with a better economy and better future for games as a whole, including gamers. Better options for developers means more economic viability for the PC as a platform, and in this case, a much better deal for indie developers. Steam's vampiring 30% of just about all the money in the PC game market right now, that's not good for gamers or developers. It's free software. Be as upset as you want at Epic, tell them you don't like what they're doing. Boycott everything on their store. It's your money, you're free to buy or not buy whatever games you want to. But acting like this is some kind of affront to the way that business is conducted every day literally all over the world is foolish and makes you look ignorant.
You can't possibly know this for certain.
Sure, but it's still scummy as hell. Forget about steam for a second, and think about how GOG, Desura, Greenmangaming, Gamersgate etc are going to compete with Epic forcing exclusives. Even though steam has a clear advantage, they're still working with and providing support to those game stores. Epic just shuts off all competition, and with the MASSIVE success of fortnite they already have a massive userbase, they don't need to force people to come to their store, when they already have millions of users.
you can only buy new macBooks from the apple store or best buy, who have a deal with Apple. I wasn't aware of this. In my country we do not have best buy and you can buy a MacBook or Apple product from any tech retailer basically. (As well as other competing brands such as LG, HP, etc...) Secondly, every single thing you listed has a fiscal barrier to entry- some physical or digital product you need to buy. Both steam and the Epic client are free. You know this Sure, I can admit when I'm wrong. My comparisons aren't directly related, but they do have some merit do they not? For example the car one. Imagine if Toyota decided "We are only using this specific type of headlight bulb from this certain company, and we are going to make it literally impossible to replace it without sending it back to us." That sounds incredibly anti-consumer to me. I can't choose what bulb to put in my car if it faults, I can't get it fixed by a 3rd party, and instead I have to send my entire car back to Toyota. They can then charge me whatever they want, say $200, to replace a bulb that no one else in the world can replace. That seems incredibly anti-consumer to me. However, you are right. I can't compare a paid product to a free one. But, some of my examples do still apply. Google is free software. It requires a computer or phone to run it, but the actual software is free. It has exactly the same requirements as Epic's launcher does. So imagine if Google made it so you could only use Google apps as a whole on their own phones, as well as say Lenovo laptops/computers due to a deal they make with Lenovo. Would suck pretty heavily right? Better options for developers means more economic viability for the PC as a platform, and in this case, a much better deal for indie developers. Steam's vampiring 30% of just about all the money in the PC game market right now, that's not good for gamers or developers. This statement overall I firmly disagree with. I don't have a problem with EGS, I have a problem with them buying exclusive rights to products. If it was their own games, obviously I'm fine with that. But to prevent other games from being on other platforms that are far superior (not just based on personal opinion, but even from an outside perspective. If you compare EGS and Steam feature wise, Steam easily wins...) Steam's cut of 30% everyone keeps going on about, but no one actually considers the amount of value you are getting in return for that 30%. In my opinion, it's rightly justified. I will give a prediction right now. Once EGS establishes itself as a player in the games store industry by buying hundreds if not thousands of exclusives, and forcing people to use their platform, their entire core value of "We give developers a better cut" will go out the window. As they grow and try to compete with Steam by offering same/better features, their expenses will increase and they will either have to charge a higher % fee to the developer, or operate EGS with money out of their pockets. I would not be surprised if EGS upped their cut to be 25% in the future, or even 30% honestly.
Patience is a hell of a virtue in this industry. I won't touch most games until they're a year old anyway, there's so many games out there to play that spending a premium to get a game the second it comes out never seems worth it to me. But then it's not frugal types that are carting in the wheelbarrows of dough.
God, yeah. I regret buying Metro on there.
https://twitter.com/GV_Delchev/status/1108906960416636928 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1108970689657102338 At least we got an answer.
http://u.cubeupload.com/Coldmute/o6J5m4.png What a disgusting, slimy schmuck.
Another game to pirate then...
He still didn't really answer the question imo.
Epic would never do that but Ill indulge, I'd say that backlash would be minimal or contained to just a few places. One of the big reasons why everyone is shitting up the epic store is because Sweeney didn't even do a quarter assed job at perfuming the pig before trying to hock it.
Obsidian really can't catch a break from the industry bullshit can they? I hate that I'm probably going to end up caving and buying TOW on launch day. I could ignore something like Metro for a year easily, but I'm just too hungry for a game like this to spend an entire year extra waiting and dodging spoilers on social media. I don't own a console, So my options are to either put up with Epic's fucking horseshit (either by using their platform or being forced to wait) or to just pirate the game- and I don't really feel right about pirating brand new games that I could easily purchase legitimately.
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