• Obsidian's "The Outer Worlds" spotted on Epic Game Store
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What do refunds have to do with this? Epic has a refund process very similar to Valve's.
I'm so fucking pissed off, I was looking forward to this game Can we say the trailer is false advertising now since it said it'll be on Steam this year?
I take back my Monopoly statement, the market has changed quite a bit. I was more referring to Steam in terms of their own client for downloading and what not, but can't ignore where the money is.
I'd say Steam has monopoly of presence and influence, how are you supposed to compete as new store against one that is over 15+ years old? Epic took the cheap and stupid way to compete, but I don't really see how it's feasible to compete from nothing against Steam. Even if a store had 100% similar functionality, people still wouldn't swap. It's too integrated into the PC gaming.
Sorry, I missed you editing your post - do you have any source on Epic not letting Humble sell without any money flow for them / any other indication of money reaching them other than vaguely saying 'Someway'?
Only after the intense backlash from the fact that originally you could only get two refunds at all.
They do now, after a bit of pressure. This is what it was back in December. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/129/4f3322d8-de12-4dec-9f0e-b2b996715186/jpg.jpg
Can anyone provide a quick and easy writeup on the specifics of why Epic's gaming platform is such a bad thing? The only thing I really know about the "negative" consequences of it is that it's a separate store with these timed exclusivity deals. Why does timed exclusivity on a free platform matter? I understand the frustration if a game I wanted were moved from steam to a paid service (or physical product like a console), but, beyond the fact that you have to have a separate account, what's the big deal with these exclusives? Who do they hurt? Is it just the inconvenience for gamers having to log in to different software? The other thing I've seen is a vague reference to chinese investors in Epic, which brings one to speculate about a bunch of possible issues, but I haven't seen any kind of news reporting or evidence of wrongdoing.
Need we remember that it took intense pressure for multiple years to get Steam to add refunds? Like I don't like Epic, I don't want to use their store, but lets not misremember recent history for the sake of slamming them. Theres plenty of real shit to slam them for.
Thanks for beta testing, Epic Store losers! Seriously though, most Obsidian games are full of bugs on launch, so waiting a year to buy it might not be so bad? This is a shitty move regardless, and I was really excited for this game, but maybe waiting will end up giving me the best experience. This is the only way for me to stay optimistic at this news.
Giving them a year to work out bugs and maybe post-launch content might be better anyway.
Yes, I know. But that doesn't validate his point. Refunds have nothing to do with the switch.
Obsidian has a history of making bad financial decisions and taking whatever deal they can with little foresight.
Not buying it. Not pirating it. I don't want to be associated with Obsidian's future products now. Disgusting.
But that's assuming regular players (not us) even care about the store switch. If most people don't give a shit and still purchase it, they've gotten a good deal out of this.
What should this mean (specifically as it relates to Epic) to someone who doesn't know a thing about Tencent?
Blame the publisher, not the dev.
What makes that even worse is you wont know the launch state unless you leave the store and look up posts like here. Cant trust vg websites and you sure as fuck cant trust subreddits.
My biggest problem is they pulled a game (Metro: Exodus) from Steam during the fucking pre-sale period, just so it can be an exclusive (timed or not) on their own store. It's scummy no matter how you look at it.
It’s not illegal but its something Obama tried to stop throughout his presidency
The Chinese government has direct say in the operations of Epic, including several seats on their board.
Epic just recently got caught stealing tons of steam related info from users, and tencent is basically a chinse gov ran company. You can put two and two together. Oh and Epic is not GDPR compliant with privacy.
well if you listen to the hubub many people on FP will say that it's because it's data scrapping Steam friends, and other pieces of infromation from your computer and giving it "straight to Tencent". I don't know if this is true, and I would really like to have a bit more info on this myself. They're definitely taking your friends and other info from Steam though. I ultimately don't like it as it stands now, but I'm not opposed to it forever, if it improves as a product and as a service for the consumer. If that happens, I'll try it out again. But it does seem like some people here would rather lose a hand than touch the "epic games store".
Obsidian's crowd isn't "regular players" in the way you mean. They bank on CRPG nostalgia primarily and TOW banks on New Vegas nostalgia, a game which mostly has niche appeal to begin with.
What? Seriously, source this. This isn't anti competitive business practices. This is shit, and this is bad for us all, but it's not something the government can just "Step in and fix". This isn't fucking China.
Well, fair point. Time will tell, I suppose?
Source? Not that I doubt this, but I need a source to believe it for sure.
Are they honoring the pre-purchases that have already been made? I get that it might be inconvenient to move it to their own store, but scummy?
Obsidian has reportedly been given a lot of control over their product, so this is likely not a Microsoft decision. It makes little sense that MS would simultaneously push stuff like the Masterchief Collection on Steam and then decide TOW should be an Epic Store exclusive - and unlike Obsidian, I doubt Microsoft really has to strike deals with Epic to stay financially afloat.
I think people really overblow the Tencent part of epic games. Because Tencent has invested in almost every aspect of gaming. If you want to boycott Tencent you either pirate or avoid gaming all together. What is wrong with this is that people are defending this as Epic's way of competing with the big boy steam. But competing would be selling the games steam sells but offering different incentives to convince people to buy stuff from your storefront instead of Steam. Steam has good sells and some consumer friendly features. But instead of Epic trying to do their own thing to convince consumers they just buy exclusivity of every game they can so it's not possible for any other storefront to compete. Forced exclusivity isn't competing.
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