Epic Q&A: won't do exclusives forever, and regrets pulling Metro Exodus
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A panel of Epic Store leaders were asked during an Epic Store Q&A at GDC 2019 today if, given how much rage the move caused, they'd ever do something like that again. Steve Allison, head of the Epic Games Store, responded immediately: "We don't want to do that ever again."
"We had been talking to those guys for a number of months," he said, "and they made some decisions on their end—this is not a throw under the bus thing, it's just the timing of where that came together and what was important to their business—we decided to do it together, we both knew there was the potential for the thing that happened in terms of communication. I think it felt way worse and was bigger than we thought, and in real-time, we spent time talking ... 'we will never do this again in this way.'
"And I think we're not in a situation now where that could ever happen, because now we're live and we have a view out in time, and we can work with everybody ... We have a case study where it says 'maybe we should make our decisions earlier,' and we will.
As for whether Epic will continue grabbing exclusives in general, the panel said that its current strategy is about getting the 88/12 revenue split out there—a way to get off the ground—and that Epic won't be negotiating exclusivity deals at this rate forever.
"We could go to zero, or we could go to very very few major exclusives within a given year," said Allison. "We will definitely not be doing them on the scale we're doing them now."
"We're sorry we got caught"
just some more bullshit from Epic
If they really regreted it they would have reversed their decision
Clearly they didn't learn.
Obsidian Entertainment was adding Steam achievements to The Oute..
Seems it wasn't Obsidians decision and they were still updating the Steam database before it was announced.
Yet you just fucking did it again! You lying sack of shit!
YOU. JUST. DID. IT. AGAIN.
"We won't do it ever again."
"Now please buy Outer Worlds, only available on the Epic Store! A one year exclusive deal!"
They literally can't even tell the fucking truth on something that fucking basic. They can't even own their shitty, unethical behavior and instead want to pretend they're changed while continuing that behavior at literally the same fucking event.
"We're saawwwwwwy, we love you very much, please love us back"
how much you want to bet this is because sales on games on EGS are lower than their forecasts?
The jokes write themselves. As if real life was a cartoon.
It’s still coming out on steam next year.
Shouldnt they know? Doesn't the platform you intend to release on have development ramifications? Updates, account verification, social integration? At the very least it'd be a dick move for your management to keep you in the dark on how you intend to distrubute till the last moment, considering at the very least that is manhours better spent. What is management doing letting valuable pre release time go to waste when they know they have a year of post release time for the steam version. I kinda doubt that this was a decesion that happend over a weekend while every one was at home, but it's still possible.
I'm guessing Exodus didn't sell very well then
I guess thats how you nutfuck a bunch of devs for a whole year
They're literally doing the fucking South Park bit.
I'm starting to wonder just how smart a move any of this was for Epic. If the stupidity of the Phoenix Point devs was anything to go by, Epic's giving these devs large sums of money for exclusivity (even if PP went to Epic in that case) but not receiving anywhere near as much of the profit margin as Valve does, as we know. If the games aren't selling as well or the backlash is actually affecting (some) of Epic, they could actually be working towards a loss and overestimated the extent of their Fortnite profits.
It's a stupid move for everyone.
The developers who choose guaranteed fake sales over uncertain real sales might be getting a lot of cash, but they won't be building a customer base like they could through Steam.
You might sell a shitton of copies of your first game to epic, but who's going to buy the second game? Epic will be long past the days where they can just shovel money at moronic developers.
Epic in a nutshell.
Tbh, I would be willing to believe them here and pin most of the blame on the publishers (not developers, keep that difference in mind). Epic setting up a store front that takes less of a cut, and greedy publishers seeing the dollar signs and jumping ship ASAP, bringing their soon coming and highly sought after IPs with them. Deep Silver has been known to dick around their customers before (with Metro as well funnily enough), same with 2K (publisher for Outer Worlds). They coming knocking on Epic's door with all this support and potential money from sales, and who are Epic to refuse?
Doesn't make Epic innocent in all this as they fully complied with this. And honestly, if they do regret the decision, then just cut the exclusivity of the game here and allow it to be sold on Steam ASAP.
Be like the Epic you were before the store. The Epic who gave all previous UE4 subscribers a month back for free when the engine went free, and the Epic who literally refunded everyone who bought Paragon after it died, later releasing the assets for free. That's the Epic that should be running this store.
Epic approached the developers with the exclusivity deals...
Epic wiping their tears away with a $100 bill: "I thought throwing money around was supposed to solve everything"
even though this is a blatant lie as proven in this thread before, too late
they just keep digging that hole deeper when all it would have taken is cutting 15 or so dollars off the metro cost (no, what they did didn't cut it, that was only in america), then front that cost instead of paying for exclusivity
or maybe at least paid some interns to make a functional store instead of promising basic shit like a shopping cart in 6 months
I guess what I'm trying to say is I could totally see publishers doing this though. Both Epic and the publishers are to blame here, but I could totally see publishers doing this anyway even if not approached by Epic. Big publishers only care about money, and they know that really only a vocal minority will raise a stink if they make a change like this.
Akin to how some indie devs weren't even approached by Epic, but approached them, but of course on a much larger scale.
Can we stop this 'Well its coming out a year later'
It was bullshit when Microsoft did it with Titanfall; its bullshit now.
I think you misunderstood my point.
"now that we've locked all of the next year's worth of major releases under exclusivity..."
Well, yeah, was kinda a dick move to do it to a game one month before release. Would have just been a splash rather then a flood if this timed-exclusivity deal was announced sooner - especially because you have people buying copies for full price, only for it to be ten or so bucks off on Epic.
Thats not what they meant by they wont do it again though. The thing they are referring to when they say they wont do it again is pushing something like that last minute (and literally days before the games release.
People need to actually read the article.
The Outer Worlds hasn't even got a real release date yet just '2019'.
I feel like they may not expect the Outer Worlds to receive the same backlash as such a major title as Metro: Exodus. Like don't get me wrong I understand the love most of us here have for Obsidian and I know there are plenty other people just as hyped for the game as we are, but i can see the two situations being viewed in a different light financially.
Doesn't make it any less shitty, but yknow it's something to consider.
Allows devs to pull game from Steam last minute
Says without any statistics that the Metro Exodus sold 2.5x more than previous titles
Apologizes for what happened to Metro Exodus without reversing action
Takes Outer Worlds anyway while they were developing for Steam
I'm staring at probably the most blatantly hollow apology yet, I still won't use the Epic store in a million years unless the people working there especially Tim and those Tencent directors are gone. Also hope that money they made from Fortnite keeps vanishing for the bad press / poor decisions though so that way they figure out that we're the ones to be listened to.
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