• Jordan Peterson’s Book Pulled from New Zealand Shelves Following Mosque Shooting
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3bpy8/jordan-petersons-book-pulled-from-new-zealand-shelves-following-mosque-shootings
Good, people should stop pretending that this alt right ideology is just racist apologising and pandering
Clean your room, stand confident, and be responsible. summed up the book for you.
Is there anything in the book that is even remotely Islamophobic?
oh and hail hitler
https://twitter.com/poynterdesign/status/1108858850596122625
Can't really say I support this. AFAIK the book has nothing about Islam in it whatsoever and Peterson's stance on Islam, while quite ignorant, isn't what I would call outright Islamophobic. Banning his self-help book for a picture with a fan wearing an islamaphobic shirt seems like a knee jerk reaction. Honestly what's more interesting to me is that the book got published in the first place. I thought Peterson was in prison for misgendering people after bill C-16 became law.
Honk
Is peterson alt right? I thought they just liked him, kinda like pewdiepie.
He’s definutely not left leaning. Pretty pro traditionalism especially regarding gender roles, but also pro universal healthcare, probably due to being a Canadian. He’s somewhere in the middle but definitely has right wing tendencies?
Hes not the worst nor would I call him a Nazi. However his work has sexist and often racist undertones. He himself doesn't like being called altright and has actually kicked out neonazis from his meetings, though im my personal opinion he flirts with that side too much. Hes more of an untrustworthy quack if anything
Bit of a knee-jerk reaction.
He isn't altright, and parts of the alt-right actually despise him, but there are parts of the alt-right and traditional right who see him as messianic. The problem is that it's hard to get a solid lead on what Peterson actually believes because he is very good at building a career out of making descriptive statements without ever attempting to make a proscriptive statements. This leads to funny interactions where he will tell people in Q and A's not to bring up "the Jews" because he so often gets asked about "the Jews". He also has an...intriguing interpretation of the Holocaust. It's hard to get a handle on him but he seems like a typical traditional conservative with the "universal healthcare" caveat that practically every conservative outside of America will entertain.
Pretty much this, he tends to flirt with incels more than anything. Although I guess there is significant overlap there with alt-right or alt-right hopefuls, which is probably where it comes from.
I think your last sentence is really key to understanding peterson, you can't take what he says at face value, you have to look at the direction his words steer people because by now he has noticed it enough to change his direction if he were actually worried by it. JP is absolutely a white nationalist/alt right, in the same sense that Ronald Mcdonald sells kids eating habits that will lead them to an early death, but never says that directly.
you are misinformed, and have no idea what the book is about, if "alt right" sums it up for you.
I'm talking about him and his views in general
Banning a book by one of the only sane people left. Oh goodness.
He's "alt-lite"
Shouldn't you be cleaning your room and working on your posture etc?
how tf i type keyboard with lobster claws
Wow, that's a term I'll keep in my pocket for future use for sure.
Oh yeah Peterson, the dude who the alt right twist around to justify their points and the left criticizes for his freedom of speech politics. I think im done battling with people who don't even read or hear him more than 3 minutes in a podcast to check themselves maybe the Daily Mail is wrong on their Facebook post about him. To be honest, the entirety of Facepunch has more sympathy for Hitler than that guy so who cares Im gonna shut up.
That's odd. For anyone curious these are the 12 rules (from wikipedia) 1. Stand up straight with your shoulders back 2. Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping 3. Make friends with people who want the best for you 4. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today 5. Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them 6. Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world 7. Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient) 8. Tell the truth – or, at least, don't lie 9. Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't 10. Be precise in your speech 11. Do not bother children when they are skateboarding 12. Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street And as for reviews, one good/neutral and one bad from the wikipedia page Melanie Reid, in her review of 12 Rules for Life for The Times, says the book is "aimed at teenagers, millennials and young parents". Summarising it, she states: "If you peel back the verbiage, the cerebral preening, you are left with a hardline self-help manual of self-reliance, good behaviour, self-betterment and individualism that probably reflects [Peterson's] childhood in rural Canada in the 1960s" In a review for Psychology Today, philosopher Paul Thagard described the work as flimsy and says Peterson's views fail to stand up to philosophical scrutiny. According to Thagard, "If you go for Christian mythology, narrow-minded individualism, obscure metaphysics, and existentialist angst, then Jordan Peterson is the philosopher for you. But if you prefer evidence and reason, look elsewhere." Psychologist John Grohol, writing for PsychCentral, said that the book's basic advice was sound, self-evident, and harmless, but that he could not recommend it because Peterson justified his advice with rambling tangential anecdotes and religious dogma instead of scientific data.
JP telling people to be precise in thier speech is a good one.
I find number 10 amusing seeing as how the guy's MO is to just obfuscate as much as possible with big words, while banking hard on how he is a professor to lend credence to himself.
Incredible mental gymnastics to claim that a widely regarded, best selling self-help book is an alt-right manifesto solely on the basis of the author disagreeing with controversial legislation.
JP unironically believes in Cultural Marxism. Which originated as a conspiracy created by the Nazis.
I think Contrapoints does a fantastic piece on him.
Yeah i wouldn't call JP and his belief's alt-right. I think he would be an alt-right enabler though. Cause a lot of the people he collaborates with are alt-right and have connections to the movement.
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