Jordan Peterson’s Book Pulled from New Zealand Shelves Following Mosque Shooting - Sensationalist Headlines

As funny as it is, that's not what the chapter's about. To paraphrase it's about being specific by breaking down personal feelings & thoughts into their smaller fragments; Mutual roadblocks between two people can't be acknowledged as mere roadblocks, you have to explore everything leading up to it and the emotions behind it to find away around it. You can't list a problem as vague and general when in reality it's built up of numerous small problems.

Well lets be honest, it wasn't just that he disagreed with it, he completely made shit up about it, and at this point I think people have enough reasons to see Peterson in a bad light given some of the things he has said.

also he constantly spouts Pseudoscience. Claiming that shit in human history is somewhat "Subconscious recreations of biblical events". And the advice he gives is the shit that's been said forever and by other people. Meanwhile JP just takes that shit, inserts his pseudoscience. And acts like he's the one who made it up or discovered it.

I can't speak to his psychology record because that's outside my wheel house and based on your fawning it would seem like you are a fan of his self-help stuff. The problem I have (and a lot of people have) with Peterson is that he doesn't stay in his lane and talk about stuff he knows about but instead makes wild, divisive, inaccurate claims about shit he hasn't the slightest clue about, like history or politics. He completely misunderstood C-16, deliberately misinformed people about it's effects, pushes the "postmodern neomarxist" meme as a millenial rebranding of cultural marxism, and understates and deflects the causes and effects of the Nazi regime during World War 2. out of interest, have you seen the Contrapoints and three arrows videos about him? I'd like to know what they got wrong.

You know they used to say weed was a gateway drug just because everybody whos done a serious drug also has smoked weed at some point? He's the weed to the alt-right's heroin. You dont get into alt right ideologies because of Peterson, but if you get into alt right ideologies you probably listen Peterson. Does that make sense?

This seems like an overreaction. After the attack various companies here came out trying to "do their part" and get some good publicity. This just seems like Whitcoulls scraping the bottom of the barrel and trying to find anything they can to get a headline and some woke points.

Doesn't the bookstore still sell Mein Kampf? If they're really worried about that sort of stuff you'd think they'd start with that, right?

I think they're doing it more as a statement than an active preventative measure.

what an embarassing post.

the dude is a neo-liberal, plain and simple. Always has been. Never understood why people are confused about where he sits in the political spectrum, and trying to paint him as a wignat or neo-nazi is pretty typical of the "everyone i dont like is <x>" mindset that is all too pervasive in millennials. I've read 12 rules for life and a good portion of maps of meaning. I don't particularly like JP for reasons I can't be bothered to get into (in short: i think its very easy to speak the praises of, and encourage participation in, a system you have a very high status, comfortable position in and you and your offspring benefit from the continuation of) but it baffles me that anyone thinks this material has absolutely anything to do with the right, alright or otherwise or that he enables wignats. This is par for the course however, the dude has had arrows and slings at him ever since he become known by people who have never listened to a lecture of his and certainly never read anything he has written. Its a lot like how people who are constantly criticizing Marx and Marxism have not read a single thing he ever produced, and it is evident from all the shit they attribute to him that he had absolutely nothing to say about and nothing to do with him. A false reality wilfully imagined.

Nothing like using a mass shooting to silence people you disagree with politically! every left leaning politician and policy maker should have one!. Taking down Petersons book "in light of current events" is such a far reach I cant even fathom how they made the connection, I guess because they dont get mass shootings often they are going to make the most of it, make hay while the sun shines am I right?. Disgusting.

Well, a book store doesn't need justification to not sell a book. If this was the reminder they needed to think about what ideologies they're putting out then whatever

Your right, but there was a justification used by this store, and it was not appllied to books like Mein Kampf? so they symbolically burn the book of a guy whose career has been denigrating extremist ideologies left and right? it has to be one of 2 things, either the managers of this store are too stupid to actually look at the content of this book and just ban it (banning books quaint) because they think it is literally a cook book for right wing death squads, OR they are ideologically driven and have used this atrocity as an excuse to ban it, because hell they have been looking for one and in the chaos and uncertainty this event will do. I am not for banning any books, if you disagree and you have a point to make about his book, or Peterson as a person or any topic at all then voice it, write your own book or whatever! be correct! and if you are then cool we know that the ideas in the book are wrong, but if the door is open to banning books then how do you know yours wouldn't be on the chopping block instead, and what sort of ideas will proliferate.

Again, this is exactly what the shooter wanted according to his manifesto. He wanted to accelerate the "culture war" and increase the rift between people, by banning this book you're playing right into his hands.

This post bugs me for a variety of reasons, reasons that I will now elaborate on. First of lets address this belief that he is not an alt-right sympathizer. Lets take a look at some of his beliefs, notably his obvious misogyny. His beliefs on women remind me of an awful series of books from the 1980s about a planet called Gor. The entire book series is essentially about how modern women that are removes from the "horrors" of modern society (and feminism) revert to a submissive and obedient state. The fact that Petersons beliefs are essentially ribbed Verbatim from Gor is a warning sign that hes a dingbat crazy man. Lets not even get into his questionable beliefs about race and how it relates to IQ So right off the bat we see that Peterson supports some (almost psychoanalysis freudian hooplah about sexuality) and tries to push the Race IQ thing as if its been proven conclusively. If someone pushes blatantly misogynistic beliefs and questionable science that construes white people as being "genetically smarter" what would you call that person? If he's not alt-right then why do his beliefs how this constant (and sometimes blatant) undertone of racism, misogyny, and biased data interpretation? Perhaps "looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck" would be applicable here. Peterson tries to paint himself as a centrist, but he consistently criticizes the left more than the right, and hos criticisms of the right often come across as weak. He pushes the conspiracy theory of cultural marxism, a thing that one would traditionally associate with far right conspiracy nits (like Alex Jones). He's like a more influential and charismatic Sargon of Akkad. Next lets look at your whole "he advocates for things that people have been doing for millennia" thing. I wasn't aware that length of practice was a qualifier for something being "good". Tell me something. If you have a headache would your first instinct be to drill a hole in your skull? Trepanning was practiced for most of human history, does that mean that its a good idea? What about slavery? Strip mining? Traditional Chinese Medicine? Beating your kids to keep the obedient? look at all these age old and time tested practices, surely the most have some merit if people practiced them for so long, right? Furthermore what do you mean "Our lives are becoming far less simple and even the most basic principles of leading a virtuous life, shared for thousands of years, have disappeared."? Are you saying that modern society is less "virtuous" than we once were? What virtues did our society previously have? To my knowledge our society has grown far more tolerant, accepting, and kind over the past hundred years. Modern society is far more "virtuous" than at any other point in human history. Furthermore the joy of modern life is that it can be as simple or complex as you desire it to be. Want to be a peasant hermit living on a farm on Oklahoma? Go for it. What to be a socialite in New York with an intricate web of social relations to manage? Go for it. Modern life hasn't made anything more complicated. Its given you more freedom to do what you want with your life, certainly more freedom than has ever existed in common society since the beginning of civilization. To say otherwise is nonsensical rose-tinted goggle nostalgic nonsense. As for the last paragraph... Peterson has done literally nothing other then say things that have been said in literally thousands of other self help books. He hasn't helped anyone. He may have this weird narcissistic idea that he came up with these (incredibly basic and tired self help tips), but he hasnt.

It's funny because he's tried to sue multiple Canadian universities for criticizing and making fun of him. Whenever I see someone claim JP is pro-freedom of speech I remember those lawsuits.

He's such a liberal that his main talking points are how white people are "genetically smarter", how women are actually asking for someone to dominate them, the evils of "cultural marxism", and how we should embrace tradition. Truly a paragon of liberal ideals.

Wasn't he also working on a blacklist of professors considered Marxists, or am I thinking of another Enlightened Classical Centrist?

Can't agree with this at all, regardless of your personal veiws of Peterson it doesn't seem very logical or helpful in any way. See Simpsons 'removing' Jackson episode. Purely reactionary with little justification in my opinion.

I don't like Jordan Peterson and I haven't read his book, but if his book isn't pandering his political or scientific views, why should it be banned? I suppose a publisher has every right to distance themselves from someone they think is trouble, but it's kind of unnecessary.

Since when is some terrorist loser the arbiter of whats right and wrong. Why the fuck are you giving such respect to some moron as if their nostradamus. Ill have a shower tomorrow. Bet Ill get wet. thats the kind of level we're talking about. It's dumb predicable shit that anyone could make mixed in with cringey cultcha war roleplaying. Trying to dress it up as some sort of 'puppetmaster' masterstroke is giving way to much credit. IGNORE THE CUNT

Oh yeah. He was building a database of universities, courses and specific professors that he thought were pushing "cultural Marxism". Switch the intent on trying to blacklist those people and courses in the long run. I think he abandoned it after people realised what he was doing. The guy is a fucking lunatic who hides behind his credentials. I'm not entirely sold on him even being a halfway decent psychologist.

Could be mistaken so bare with me but I think this might have been in reference to the loser's actions and references. In mentioning Pew Die Pie and doing the 'OK' symbol, he assumed would bait the media into running with this crap and perpetuating the nonsense surrounding it. Now the media will report this sick fuck is doing the 'white power' (ok) sign and in the general consciousness people are going to actually believe it's become a racist sign. I think the connection is, Peterson's book is removed due to perceived alt-right bullshit with no real basis. Guilty by association. This is what I think is the dangerous and harmful mindset to have.

Peterson hasn’t said anything remotely comparable to most alt-right tripe. And I don’t think we should be banning/blocking any books, I mean you can still buy Mein Kampf on Amazon.

You can probably still buy this book on Amazon too, if it sells there. This is about a book store chain pulling the book, not a ban.

Mein Kampf at least has historical significance going for it. Peterson's drivel certainly doesn't even have that. And as Gooblin pointed out up-thread, he actually does repeat a lot of Alt-right talking points, especially rubbish like "Cultural Marxism". JohnnyMo's description of him as "Alt-Lite" is perfect.

for the fifteenth billion time... He believes in Cultural Marxism. Which is a fucking Conspiracy theory that originated, from the fucking nazis...

Good lord, if he tried pandering to youth culture any harder he would transform into Steve Buscemi with a skateboard.

In what sense does JP believe in Cultural Marxism? There appears to be an etymological quagmire of conflicting and alternate meanings to the phrase. To dismiss JP as just 'a guy that believes in a fucking Nazi conspiracy theory' seems rather like hand-waving to me.