ngl that robot lady is pretty hot when can i buy this game
Eh, I'm not really looking at anything that catches my attention outside of the jokes about porn and etc. Hell, some of the facial animation is uh, stilted in the same way that you'd expect from SFM porn artists.
Oh good, it's not just another fucking visual novel. I've always thought porn games needed more variety in their gameplay - there's been a couple turn-based RPGs, more clicker games than could ever be necessary, at least one metroidvania, and a bunch of small arcadey flash games, but 95% of them are just VNs. Visual novels can be fun but they're barely games, there's so much you could do with a decent budget to make a porn game that's actually fun to play, and not just a story with replay value.
What I kind of hope to see is porn more integrated with gameplay, in a cohesive and aligned way. I've played more porn games than I should probably admit to, and two common problems I see are a) it's just a regular game with porn cutscenes inserted regularly* and above-normal levels of fanservice, there's no game mechanics around it, or b) when there is porn in the gameplay, it's as a failure state, eg. "you got grabbed by an enemy so here's a mini-cutscene of them raping you", so the better you play the game, the less porn you get.
Considering the trailer barely showed five seconds of gameplay, I don't have too high hopes. They're primarily an animation studio, of course they're going to be focused on the cutscenes. If we're lucky, the people they hired to do the game part will be good enough to make it fun, and shameless enough to make it porn.
* Pun not intended but deliberately left in place
Nice to know what two people think of underage content, I don't give a shit if it's CG, that doesn't make it acceptable.
local facepunch thread devolves into lolicon discussion and gets locked
Okay legit, the Lolicon fights need to stop because they are quite literally logical circles filled with no evidence, no fact finding and the only bolster is a study done in Japan who doesn't have a good history when in terms of domestic and sexual abuse. Nor do people who say it encourages shit have anything because its incredibly difficult to say that an act perpetuated inside a virtual space will encourage it outside of it, especially considering if you don't subscribe to violence being perpetuated then you can't turn around say but pedophilia does.
Its a dumb discussion that people take way to fucking personally because no one can stand the idea that they're fucking weird.
Plus pretty irrelevant to this thread because as far as I can tell by a quick glance over their Kickstarter, all of the characters involved are pretty clearly adults. And the implication is that all the encounters are consensual.
Which makes sense, otherwise they'd definitely run afoul of Kickstarter's TOS.
They're also assholes who bully other artists, dox people, cheat people out of their promised money, and have taken several thousands of dollars for at least one project that they've since scrubbed all mention of and continually permaban patrons (as in people who give them money) who so much as mention it.
They're not people to laud, respect, or trust.
They're only one degree short of what I'd call scammers.
As for the girls, none of them really appeal to me? They're your standard affair when it comes to 3D model porn. Human, standard anatomy, hourglass with over zealous assets. THere's really nothing to write home about the designs, even their faces are hilariously generic.
But still, give them £100,000 so they can make a game, trust them with your money.
Actually, I could probably go on for a good hour how these guys have really missed a good opportunity to actually make a decent porn game and instead phoned it home.
Minimum effort for maximum profit is their modus operandi.
I mean fair, but they still just didn't put any effort in really. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the model assets weren't made by them and instead exported and then 'kitbashed' together to create designs where the only thing worth anything are the ass and tits.
Which is really really shallow for a design of any character. I get this is just for fapbucks but I've always found it weird how unimaginative most porn art is?
Considering their animations are still floaty, they obviously haven't change, they've got an updated coat of paint but that's about it.
They never do.
They give the community as a whole a bad name with how uninspired, derivative, and lazy their work is. What most people think of in terms of unimaginative porn art is artistic mastercraft compared to what they produce.
could you please elaborate?
Their twitter is fucking gold
https://i.imgur.com/HzHRrge.png
The worst thing I've ever seen them do is make a voice acted animation of Elizabeth going all "you mad" to taunt LordAardvark over how better their model of her is than his
I'd love to give you hard sources, but most of this drama unfolded on Tumblr amongst the SFM artists. Which means that, with the Tumblrcide in December, none of them are accessible now.
For the bullying, there is a group of artists who the director (Darkcrow) and his immediate group of senior animators (Moneyshot and to a lesser degree Yagskie) have personal grudges against. There have been instances of these artists attempting to do collaborations with other, third-party artists (not involved in these feuds), but Fow had stepped in and explicitly told those third parties that if they worked with anyone in this group, then they will blacklisted from getting any help from any members of Fow for anything and will never have the chance to work with them on a large production - which, with Fow being the largest "professional" group in the scene, is a pretty huge deal for a bunch of amateur artists. As a result, Fow has directly stepped in and shut down these artists from working together, threatening to blacklist those who do.
Beyond that, there are also several instances of Fow directly calling out individual artists and calling them various flavors of garbage. This was not a singular instance, and has been ongoing for over five years now.
As to the cheating people out of money and slandering ex-contractors, there is one well-documented case (unfortunately mired by the Tumblrcide) of an artist who had been cheated several thousand dollars for their work, with emails from Darkcrow agreeing to rates and then paystubs from Darkcrow showing that he was being paid anywhere from $500 to over a $1000 for any given month. After 6 months of being constantly underpaid (and verbally abused), they had enough of Darkcrow's shit and privately told him over email he was quitting. Darkcrow responded with a blithing public tirade slandering and condemning the artist, and so that artist decided to post his own public letter and exposing the whole thing. Fow never did respond to that open letter, and immediately treated it as if the entire thing had never happened.
The project that's gone AWOL is their Metroid project, I believed called Asstroid Prime. After being proudly advertised and crowdfunded for several years on Patreon, they abruptly took down all mention of it. Anyone who mentioned it in either their Discord chat or their Patreon chat was banned without response, and had their posts deleted. Even simple things like asking how the project is going. Around this time, Fow also made the amount of money they make per month private (they were in excess of $30,000 a month at this point), while simultaneously holding fully-made-and-edited parts of their films hostage, claiming that if people want them to be released, then they need to reach higher subscriber counts.
Beyond all of these instances, there is also an instance of an artist being hospitalized while working with Fow, them sharing that information, and being met with "finish the work you've already put several weeks into, or you won't get paid a cent." When they finished their work, they were told to scrap it all and do it again, while still hospitalized. Then most of their work was thrown out anyways and replaced with sub-par work. They similarly privately quit after this fiasco, and Darkcrow responded with a blithely and excessively verbally abusive email to them. They considered making an open letter, but decided against it because they still wanted to work with some of their friends in Fow - people whom Darkcrow explicitly said he would disallow from working with them if they made so much as a peep over his treatment of them, and if anyone from Fow was found working with this artist, they would similarly be blacklisted.
As to the doxxing?
Well, at this point I need to give full disclosure. I have a personal stake in this whole debacle. Those artists who Fow have a personal grudge against? I am one of them. And these artists who have been bullied, cheated, slandered, and abused are my friends. They have been bullying me and mine for the past six years now, relentlessly and without any signs of ever slowing down.
The person they doxxed was me, by publicly posting my LinkedIn profile and tying it to my name.
So yeah. I have a chip on my shoulder. Take that into account when reading my take on things. But note that all of this information, sans the hospitalized friend, was publicly documented on Tumblr. Maybe the Wayback machine could find some of this now-buried information.
All I know these guys from is their incredibly long winded videos of Dead or Alive girls getting fucked by werewolves. Their stuff is pretty annoying to watch since they can't help but make the camera fly everywhere and they don't believe in using lights in their scenes.
Hdoom would like to have a word with you.
They do that to hide their sub-par animation.
It's a technique they lifted from the hentai studio Black Lilith (whom they also take huge swaths of their ideas from wholesale), using excessive camera motion and wild cuts to hide stiff and janky animation.
Well, in that case, I will NOT contribute to the kickstarter like I was considering. Sorry to hear about that, man.
fuck man, thanks for the rundown
This is part of the reason I try to keep my distance from most people. It just feels like a coin flip whether the people you interact with are grade A astrobastards or not.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not trying to tell people what they should do with their money.
I have long ago stopped giving a shit what they do. I do my own thing and make my own living, and whatever they say, think, or do has no impact on that.
At the same time, however, I don't believe in death of the author. To me, an artist and their art are intrinsically linked - you cannot consider one without considering the other. And that includes supporting and criticizing.
I only bring all of this information up because most people don't know much about the artist in this case. Fow do a great job of using social engineering to hide their crusty underbelly beneath shitposting and memes. All most people are exposed to is their art, the shinied-up and polished face they want the public to be exposed to.
I just want to provide some of the information they don't want you to see. Provide an insight into the artist beyond the art, for everyone to make their own decisions.
As I always say, stay informed my friends. Don't ever let anyone else think for you.
imagine playing porn games lol
SFM artists
While technically they've got one aspect down pretty well, they're kind of amazingly bad at the rest of things you need to be to make a game, and not amazingly bad in a "this is a woodrocket production" kind of way, which would actually be great. Also hilariously questionable content-context choices.
No offence, but have these artists ever heard of a legal contract? All this sounds pretty sad, but like 99% of this could have been avoided or remedied in small claims.
if i can bone the robot chick i'm buying this game twice
you can claw my Trials in Tainted Space from my cold, lube covered hands
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