"I don't get why everyone hates EGS!"
*Proceeds to list off all the reasons why people hate EGS*
I backed Pheonix Point and now if I don't refund I won't get the game until a year after its fucking promised, not due till delays but BECAUSE OF AN EXCLUSIVITY CONTRACT. Satisfactory backers ARE NEVER getting their promised Steam Keys.
Fuck off with this "man its like your dog was shot", NO MY MONEY WAS TAKEN ON THE PRETENSES OF PROMISES NOW BROKEN ASSHOLE.
All I know about Epic is that random Indians once tried to access my account over 50 times in a span of one week, and that's all I need to know to avoid their services the plague
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Epic's store doesn't have a fucking shopping cart in it. They just now added a barely functioning search feature. To say their launcher is bare bones would be an understatement. They lack forums and reviews for their games. This shows a disregard for the customer in my eyes.
This isn't organic competition they're fostering. This is them bullying their way into a market. Say what you will about Steam but I don't see them bribing dev's to join an exclusivity deal. This shows that Epic isn't confident in their launcher being successful, so rather than fix their problems they just throw their money around.
I wouldn't honestly give a shit if Epic suddenly sunk all of their buyout cash they're swinging around to buy out projects and publishing companies to develop their store and let the users decide.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/129/f0cbe934-0ef6-417e-8b04-e15d34779d4a/epic development timeline.jpg
If Epic shipped all of these features day one I would look the other way, because they're functionally similar to Steam. However Epic is using V-Bucks cash to persuade publishing companies to use an inferior store front to all the other stores out there, except maybe Bethesda's.
Well on the bright side someone selling out for Epic is a flawless way of showing that their game is not worth buying anyway, saves the hassle of waiting for user reviews, never before have game developers been this transparent about the quality of their game as they are now.
Maybe this was Epic's plan all along. A team of game developers have finally figured out a way to fight greedy corporate fucks in the gaming world, which is bait them with money to a platform where no one will buy their shit while simultaneously exposing their nature for everyone to see so they can't fool anyone with deceptive trailers or hype based exploitation.
We can call this the "Scorched earth" approach.
Please by all means keep going Epic, you have already done a masterful work of discrediting SEVERAL major releases, keep wrecking those cash addicts.
Honestly, anyone who mentions the "FP hivemind" can immediately have their opinion discounted and ridiculed on prinicple imo. It's so fuckin cringy and stupid.
I dont understand why so many people arent getting this. More competition is only good if it benefits the consumer. Steam is by far top dog because its still the best for the consumer.
EGS has a roadmap of features to catch up to Steam because they just neglected to actually put them in to begin with, like a fucking cart function, that isnt good, thats shit. Epic is openly mocking consumers and flagrantly lying in everyones face, that is shit. Developers are advertising and in some cases pre-selling games on Steam, before turning around and signing exclusivity deals because instead of offering a better service, Epic is just throwing mountains of Fortnite china money at them, that is shit. The launcher is acting as spyware and sifting through your shit, that is shit. The Epic Game Store is shit, and Epic the company is shit, so of course people think this is all a bunch of horseshit, because it is.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism, it has everything to do with Epic being shit.
Hopefully this was done by the developers and not Devolver themselves, and Metal Wolf and Pedro aren't affected.
A lot of people blamed Private Division/Take-Two for The Outer Worlds' exclusivity, but I think at least some of the blame could be on Obsidian. I was talking with Chris Avellone on Twitter and he mentioned how devs at Obsidian would work on art for weeks, then have it scrapped by the higher-ups with no warning, even though management had plans to make the decision weeks before-hand. I don't think a situation where people at Obsidian have worked on a Steam version of one of their games and then their own bosses announced exclusivity just hours after the team were updating achievements is out of the question anymore. For all we know Devolver let Observation's devs make the same sort of decision.
oh fuck OFF with this, this was one of the games i was looking forward to most this year
no code's last game Stories Untold was a horror(ish) game i really loved in 2017 and when this got announced i was stoked
fucking hell
now this makes 8 games i'm not getting thanks to this exclusivity bullshit
Let's not make bethesda good guys here. Fallout 76 is still exclusive on their store and they are using EGS exclusives disaster as a cheap PR stunt to fix their reputation after fallout 76 fiasco.
I honestly can't be mad at them. It's clear Epic is throwing out cash like nothing else, and from a developer standpoint, if the figure gets high enough it becomes stupid to turn down just for being on a different platform. It's gotta be a lot if so many people are willing to side with them.
As a consumer, I hate their decision and don't support them in it, but I'm not mad and I understand from a "we get guaranteed shit ton now, or possibly the same by being on steam but no guarantees". When the figure they're offering starts surpassing your estimated sales figures, it becomes more reasonable to take the deal.
I was more talking about their much hotter games like Wolfenstien and DOOM, which both were tossed in the air on if they would be exclusive.
Steam is also garbage, though. Half the features it has that Epic doesn't are absolutely useless. Who the fuck is buying trading cards? Who cares about setting a custom background image on your user profile? I own a Steam Link and the last time I streamed a game to it was when I was first wiring it up, to test. About the only features I think Epic is missing from Steam are achievements and custom game categories... but Steam's missing free game giveaways and a content marketplace for devs... and they're both missing Origin's fast checkout on a single item, which I think is underrated, and based on some quick unscientific speed tests of the three I've got installed, Origin is the overall fastest (but fragments the fuck out of your hard drive when installing), Steam has a faster UI but EGS actually starts faster, so in terms of software responsiveness it's a wash.
Like, pretend for a moment that nobody had ever made a game storefront for PC before, PC gaming was either boxed DVDs or buying from individual websites and getting emailed a download link. And then suddenly Steam and EGS appeared. I honestly can't say for sure I'd go with Steam. I'd probably grab big titles on Epic (assuming the "games could be cheaper" actually pans out) and install Steam for the small weird indie games Epic doesn't let onto their store.
These guys going to find out the hard way that i dont even buy games on launch. Only took a month to get that new Far Cry game at 50% off.
Try me, Epic.
parody twitter account approved by the real ford parker.
It looks like they are going to be OBSERVING how well Epic's gambit plays out haha herrr….
"I don't use these features, so they are pointless and shit" Great take there, how about a shopping cart as a feature?
Man, shit hasn't been this bad since EA stopped using steam and published all their games on their own platform.
And even then, at least it was just their own games.
Oh so you're just shitposting wildly.
I didn't say there's no reason to dislike it, as evidenced by how I could list several understandable reasons to do so. I'm just asking why the fuck people are acting like Tim Sweeney ate their first-born child. It's a fucking storefront for games! I know I shouldn't be baffled anymore about gamers flying into a rage over trivial issues, not after the Spider-Man puddles incident, but this is just insane.
Who is hurt by trading cards and having b the ability to personalize your steam page. For a long time those were used as a social space for friends. You seem to forget that steam's social features werent bad and in fact ahead of their time.
Also fuck off with the free game giveaway, that would have massive sales of hot games that no one else dared touch stuff you could redeem humble games for free with steam games.
Also, yeah Steam is missing a content market place because ITS NOT ALSO HOSTING A FREEMIUM ENGINE. THAT same market place is where we GOT the shovelware games from in the first place you daft bastard.
Also there's a queue line to get into EGS because their servers can't handle their fortnite loads.
You fucking know why, stop being so damn thick-skulled.
Stop asking questions you already know the answers to, hell if you somehow by some strange miracle dont understand extremely basic simple baby concepts, go read what other people have said in like 20 other threads by this point because its been explained ad nauseaum repeatedly.
Also Steam has done plenty of free game giveaways too. There are a bunch of games in my library I'll likely never touch but were free.
What about RAGE 2 launching on Steam the same day as other platforms? And you do realize that we're talking about Bethesda the publisher, not the developer, right?
No, what you want is for "every game to be on everything", which translates to "let me use Steam and Steam alone until the end of time, because Gaben".
This post is just "I don't use something so it doesn't matter!"
Over $50,000 of trading cards are sold every day on the Steam Community Market.
Many people who aren't carbon copies of you.
Many people who aren't carbon copies of you use their Steam Link.
Don't buy something if you're not going to use it. That's on you, genius.
lmao what? Newsflash: developers can use the content marketplace and still release on Steam; ergo, it has nothing to do with the issues at hand.
They're acting like a competitor trying to buy their way into disrupting a monopoly. Same with Microsoft buying up a bunch of exclusives when they decided to muscle in on the game console duopoly.
Games distribution has a strong tendency towards a near-monopoly. There's just too many network effects. If all my friends are on Platform X, I would rather buy multiplayer games on X than Y so I can join them. If I'm a publisher, I want my game on the platform most people already have; if I'm a gamer, I want a single platform with all the games I want.
But monopolies and near-monopolies are inherently stagnant. Steam chat sucked so much we started moving back to separate chat programs like Discord. The Steam client is slow and kind of shitty to navigate. The sales are rubbish. Doesn't directly affect us as users, but the profit split was fucking ludicrous.
But nobody can dethrone Steam without a big pile of exclusives - and there's precious few companies that have the manpower to make a big pile of first-party exclusives, so third-party is the only way. If Nintendo decided to drop their hardware business and make games for PC, they could probably make a Steam competitor work (except they're Nintendo and have found every single way to fuck up an online system, so they actually couldn't... but they have the games for it). Sony maybe could. Microsoft tried and couldn't do it - partly because they didn't try that hard, but also because they just don't have that many first-party titles. EA could make a client for first-party games to avoid paying the Valve tax, but they didn't try to push it as a general games store because that's a bigger and more expensive fight than they wanted to get into.
Maybe I'm just a way bigger-picture guy than most? I see all this stuff and think yeah, kind of a pain but it's the only possible way for anyone to break into the market, and someone has to shake this market up. I actually don't really care much who "wins" this market war - if EGS makes Valve actually give a fuck about Steam again, and fix all their bullshit, I'll drop Epic; if Epic gains enough traction that it doesn't need to pay for exclusives anymore, I'll drop Steam. What I want, in the end, is for things to get better.
Take a moment to chill
Are you mad that Half-Life 3 didnt come out or what because you'd have to be intentionally ignorant of the differences between the platforms to justify this statement.
Oh okay so the ends (that being, "We're Epic and we want to win!") justify the means (using anticompetitive practices to force your way into a market you do not deserve to be in.)
Pro tip: EGS' anticompetitive practices affect more than just Steam!
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