r/Games is closed today to “shed some light” on hate speech in gaming
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As if they don't already it.
Dota is a prime example of how mount stupid works. Not to brag, I played Dota 2 for more than seven years now, with roundabout six thousand hours clocked in by now. You know how to spot someone who clearly have no idea how team communication works? They'll always tell you how what you've done is wrong, or not to do something, instead of what you should do. You know, constructive criticism.
And it's always the idiots who shout the loudest.
It's kind of absurd just how universally trans people have become the boogeyman for these people. At some point they jumped from from "the sjws did it" to "trans people did it".
Reddit was a mistake.
Trans are the new gays. After decades, LGB has become mostly normalized and accepted. Now the T are fighting for their acceptance so they're the new Boogeyman.
I haven't played many online games lately but i feel like a big part of the degrading culture in games is because of matchmaking, as opposed to servers where the same people would play and form an actual sense of community.
But there's no such think as free will, that's a fact. To stop games from being toxic, we should first eliminate any glimpse of toxicity in human species, completely.
There's so much hate in a lot of online communities; my problem with tackling 'gamers' is that 'people who play games' is such a ubiquitous group now that there obviously has to be some distinction there.
It creates this weird dissonance and you get things like journalist websites decrying gamers, the very same that read their publication.
Obviously this is a bit of a nitpicky concern, there's obviously a problem with the 'gamers rise up' group, but places like r/Games are so sanitized and often far removed from the actual, gritty problems that it just flat out doesn't make sense to me to make that sort of statement on r/Games of all places.
Full disclaimer, I don't personally browse r/Games. I only have a slice of what the content there is like, but it seems a far throw from what they're aiming at.
It doesn't help that the lack of community servers means that developers have to resort to using shitty automated moderation or easily abused voting most of the time.
While I haven't played anywhere near 1000 hours, I do frequently play CS and my experience has been the opposite. I can barely remember the last time I had someone "toxic" on my team. My rank is average and to my knowledge the very bottom is the worst, but your hidden trust factor also affects things a lot. For some reason my buddy's trust factor went down for a while and the game warned me about it when playing with him, and I could have sworn that people were more hostile and prone to cheating as a result until his trust factor went back up and things went back to normal.
Every fucking thread about people being horrible and someone has to blame anonymity.
It's not because they're anonymous, it's because they're arseholes. People are aresholes using their real names all the fucking time. Just look on Facebook or twitter.
I feel like it's mainly outside of games themselves that I see this toxicity. Like, a lot of people are talking about X game matchmaking being mostly fine, and yeah I can see that. The pure bad stuff I see are gamers discussing games outside of games, on forums, social media and sometimes real life. Once you're in-game it's just people playing games with the occasioanl unreasonable dickbag ruining it for everyone.
or playing CSGO at silver
I don't really like /r/games after they banned discussion of the whole take-two and modders debacle a few years ago.
/r/games has a tendency to side with corporations more than anyone else.
What kind of shit April Fools joke is this?
Honestly makes me think the /r/gaming mods could have put this together so they could avoid the shitposting that comes with today.
Even if not the case the timing is... not very good for this type of thing.
Jokes on you, I used /r/gaming instead.
Unironically, this
The moment a competitive mode comes into play, its almost like the other ways of playing are of a lesser importance. It seems like every game now has some sort of a ranked mode
Fun fact, people on League of Legends will be toxic piles of manure of Bot matches and Normal Game matches, they don't even need ranks for that. A friend of ours was joining us in LOL for the first time, so we hopped into a bot match to teach him the ropes and someone actually lashed out at him for not knowing what to do. On the other hand, I have a fuckton of soloq matches on CS:GO and the majority of my matches were either neutral or fun people, with only a few dumbasses raging.
There has to be a better explanation than "rank".
The Civil Rights Act of 1964, and more specifically the "southern strategy" developed in response to that.
I play plenty of smaller, less well known multiplayer games from the past that lack ranked ladders.
Nothing changes.
Whenever people enter in to competition, even over something as benign and intentionally childish as Ultimate Chicken Horse, they will turn in to mouth breathing fucktards.
Go down to your local basketball court or football pitch and watch a few pickup games by a local club. Eventually you will see one fellow deck another over a missed free throw or penalty kick. That's just how it works.
Does anybody remember the "videogames make you violent" research from the most recent turn of the century? Most of that was rooted in one consistently reproducible fact: Games where the player loses make the player angry. Even players who don't report a 'feeling' of anger have increased blood pressure and heart rates when they lose, even over children's games.
The fact is that "toxicity" is an inevitable sludgy end-product of any game where one side wins and the other side loses, and everybody can instantly communicate to each other.
I'm not a fan of biodeterminism or limply saying "nothing can be done," but almost every gaming community has tried to "clean up it's act" and failed, multiple times over the past decade.
Even games where the players are working together, or in no way compete against eachother, spawn baffling and hurtful moments. Look at how the fucking Dwarf Fortress community treats itself. I'm pretty sure the only thing preventing people from having knife fights over ASCII maps is the prohibitive largess of leaving the house.
CS:GO was oddly very nice until the CSS veterans quit being purist babies and made the switch.
The internet and the gaming community will always be a toxic shithole, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I embrace it, and laugh at the dumb things people say.
Honestly at my low rank I still find almost all of my comp CS:GO games pleasant. Frequent GLHFs at the beginning, "Nice try, that was a tough spot" when I die, and even if there's a girl on the mic people treat everyone respectfully as a teammate. This is definitely me tooting my own horn but I like to believe the Trust System matchmaking is working well, as I doubt this is the norm.
There is something that can be done about it, bring back dedicated community-operated servers.
I played TF2 for years, from mid-2009 to around mid-2014. I watched the game change from a fun non-toxic place where community servers with vigilant mods enforced an instant kick for toxic assholes policy, to a matchmaking focused game with all the good community servers being dead.
Having the power to instantly remove people you don't want to play with from the server and permanently ban repeat offenders created spaces where toxic people eventually stopped bothering to join, because they wouldn't get to play the game or get any kind of reaction.
Now everything is matchmaking, and the only things players can do is ignore toxic shitheads, maybe mute them, maybe report them and pray the devs deign to do something at an indeterminate time in the future, maybe votekick the toxic shitheads if they aren't working together so they can't be voted out.The power to police their own experience has been taken away from the players, that's why everyone is so toxic these days.
I fucking hate that "hur dur leftest" shit when anyone advocates for treating people like people and not acting like cesspool garbage. Kindness shouldn't be shunned to one side of the political spectrum it should just be a concept anyone can get behind.
i was going to make a post saying this in response to:
i wish I'd made a video about this two years ago or so because i think it's really interesting, but while individual players are responsible for their own behaviour, publishers and developers absolutely caused the issues we're facing at the moment
game creators stripped every mechanism for recourse that normal players had, and every possibility that players had to curate their own experience, because they wanted to have full control over the experience (which also allowed them to kill off modding and map making)
they took away community spaces, made everyone a stranger in a conveyor-belt matchmaking world whose primary method of interaction is to shoot each other, with nought but half-thought, half-cocked reporting algorithms that fundamentally fail to do their job
not only is it utterly unsurprising that people come out of these experiences more toxic than they went in, its actually stunning that more people aren't completely toxic assholes
Good for you, but I'm not a fan of seeing "trannies aren't human" in nearly every form of video game related discussion.
How can you take universally downvoted comments and try to say they're representative of the community
Like if someone said "I hate minorities" on FP and was showered in dumb and banned and then someone said "look at what facepunch is encouraging"
Look dude with all due respect, hoping that the people you disagree with politically experience violence based solely on your personal measure of "are they extremists" sounds pretty... Extreme
The difference is that facepunch is actually moderated properly and those types of posts are very rare because of that.
Just because they're downvoted (though not very often in my personal experience) doesn't mean that's a good enough punishment. I still hear this kind of shit all the time, so something tells me moderators aren't doing their jobs of curbing it and making it unacceptable.
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