• r/Games is closed today to “shed some light” on hate speech in gaming
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It's not about punishment, it's about trying to use things that the community clearly disagrees with as evidence that the community has a problem. Like, if the community is already shunning these people through downvotes, it would seem to me the problem is now in the mods' court. Yelling at the users to be better when they already think this shit is unacceptable is laughable
Who the hell am I yelling at? Saying a community has a problem doesn't mean I think every single person is contributing to it. I'm saying it's dumb to believe that people being decent humans just magically nullifies all of the hateful people that is still constantly happening. You're the one that's ending up cherry picking by saying those posts are proof that game community is woke. I play/read about video games every day, and there is most certainly a problem with reactionaries/bigots. I think anyone that pays attention can attest to that.
The mods were yelling...
They literally go out of their way to say "not all gamers" and that they notice people going out of their way to be nice too. And I was being facetious by saying they're woke for just downvoting a comment. You really need to grasp that when someone says a community has a problem, it doesn't apply to the people not contributing to the problem. I agree that they're being stupidly handwashy about something that's their job, but they're not blaming the normal people by asking them to simply continue being decent people.
There's literally multiple subreddits dedicated to the exact toxic shit they're talking about here. Just because r/games is actually trying to fix the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
There's also subreddits dedicated to "SJWs" If all it takes to prove your point is "other people agree with me and made a subreddit about it", that's a shit point.
I've been looking for a reason to post this! https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/107267/9cb75097-db25-4dc0-99bd-488a8bc2faf1/034.jpg
the trend for modern games to not allow community servers is something I dislike with a passion
I don't know why devs and publishers are so obsessed with peer-to-peer and company-run servers. What keeps them from wanting to increase profit by shifting most server costs off to player-run community servers?
too much potential for server owner controls to do things they don't want, in an industry where developers and publishers (mainly the latter) want all security and control tightly knit instead of playing fast and loose
microtransactions, loot boxes etc. if players have access to server files they can manipulate the game so, for example, weapons that you need to get from loot crates are available for everyone on the server to use. also partially due to publishers/developers thinking casual gamers are fucking stupid and wouldn't know how to use a server browser.
I find racism in particular happens a lot more with (ostensibly, in Verdun's case) realistic games. Typically when I hear someone shout "nigger" down the mic in something like CSGO I take it as them using the most offensive word that comes to mind as an expletive (still 100% shitty). But when I used to play Project Reality for example, there wasn't a day gone by it seemed where I wasn't kicking someon when I google translated a squad's name to find it said "death to jews" in Hngarian, especially on maps where one side was the IDF, or other similar shit in the Insurgency mode and with the addition of the African factions.
Y'all should read the meta thread that came after. Filled with the hottest of takes. https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/b8b9j2/april_fools_day_post_aftermath_discussion_meta/
However, we are profoundly thankful and extremely gratified that the amount of positive responses greatly outweighed the number of negative feedback, both via modmail and in other subreddits as well as other forums of discussion. It shows that our message received an immense amount of support. Thank you all so much for those kind words. We greatly appreciate them Highest upvoted comment in the actual thread: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/236377/0cdad14a-482e-4fc8-83f4-a5b556f6abe1/comment.png Soooomething tells me that they're getting their idea of how well-received all this has been from a rather narrow source... Like every comment is making similar arguments. The whole thing reeks of collective punishment and, shocker, nobody likes collective punishment. Doubly so when the high downvote count on the comments in question shows that the vast majority of people did nothing wrong. It just comes off as... Bizarre. Especially doing it on April Fools' day. It's like that weird parent who insists that their kids only get to eat fruits and vegetables on Halloween because it's better for their health. Like, yeah technically it is I guess, but it sorta' makes you look like an enormous stick in the mud.
Because it's just virtue signalling grandstanding. That's all it is.
Seems like it. "Hahaha we trolled the righties! Probably a ton of other random people too in the process but shhhh I did a good and posted a charity while also getting my jollies on making people angry on the internet!" These sorts of people make me sick.
If the users are downvoting the comments, but the mods are upset the comments are there, it's on the fucking mods to delete the comments. The users of the subreddit can't stop idiots from posting things. The users already did their job -- the ONLY job they can do -- by downvoting. If the mods hate these posts so much, they need to delete them. What, are they expecting the users to delete bad posts for them? They can't do that.
I think they're qualified to say whether or not they're seeing more and more noxious posts or not.
this was almost as funny an april fools as tudd as moderator, didn't even notice til I saw that giga overreact on /r/all from UnpopularOpinion
https://twitter.com/mombot/status/1113002721437597696?s=19
I also remember when people would get banned from servers for having the halo hats and bronze badges.
I'm very confused by this post. https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php Why would Thanos kill all the people who are already dead?
They want them double-dead so that the avengers can't bring them back in endgame obvs.
Why do they feel like punishing a global audience for the behavior of their American one? This shit just endlessly happens. America has a cultural problem. Journalists blame Gamers. Gamers are evil and shouldn't be your audience Literally 90% of gamers live elsewhere and are living out different cultural norms, values and societal issues. How is this even a thing anymore? I fucking hate this cancerous tendency. I didn't do slavery. We already do all we can for transpeople over here. Homosexuality isn't taboo anymore, though we still have a bit to go on that front. We have proper mental healthcare systems. We learn that Cooties aren't real before puberty. I'm not the guy these moderators and gamesjournos want to preach to. probably quite the contrary, tbh. It's not gamers. It's just Americans. It's always just Americans. That's what happens when you're an American, talking about American issues and responding to behaviors by Americans. I'm not saying there isn't a debate on issues to be had over here. but i don't need an American to lecture me about American slavery, American sexism, American abortion discussions, American discrimination towards Trans people and how i somehow have to both shoulder the moral burden and shame for it all the way over here, while also fixing it over here. That's not applicable. We're already going strong over here. Can they just stop?
I didn't know that Britain, Norway, and New Zealand were part of America, when did that happen?
I feel like i've asked you this before, but are you reading challenged?
Seems he deleted his posts, lol. Imagine being on the mod team for /r/games, you spend a month getting these posts ready for the big day, formally written, professional tone, talking about serious real-world issues, and ask that people respond to the situation with maturity, only to have one of your mods run off to /r/subredditdrama and start joking about how he wishes the community he mods would get thanos-snap'd. TBF if I had to moderate an internet community I'd probably have days where I wish everyone there was dead too, but whoops!
I remember hearing about that all the time but never actually saw one of those servers. That's the other side of the coin, just as servers can avoid having players they don't want, players can avoid going to servers they don't want to.
Oh yeh you're right, it's weird but I guess makes sense how the alt-right community or whatever it is, is drawn to games built on military or historical realism.
Trans peep here. You wouldn't believe how scared I am of saying anything revealing in an online game because of a lot of people. If it's not being harassed for being a girl it's being harassed for being trans. Even in online communities it seems like most people will find some way to say trans people aren't human in a completely unrelated topic. I've had personal pictures leak into a /LGBT/ harassment thread before. And what they said hurt. Dealing with hate speech isn't fun. And you can only take so much before it starts beating you down.
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