Dad Forces Son to Smash PS4 With Rock Due to Bad Grades - Sensationalist Headlines

I said in general, which it is; punishment should be a last resort because it's not particularly effective, for one, as well as having a real possibility of fucking up the kid if it's done too frequently / the wrong way. I'm not going to list child rearing strategies but you can easily look up alternatives to punishment online, it's very, very well known in behavioral psych that punishment basically doesn't work for general behavior modification. I can because it's so easy to look this up for yourself but https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work

This is my last view on this and we can close the book. I apologise for those who felt offended by me not respecting one's attachment to their gaming device. That I accept and withdraw this vibe I created. But I went through this issue with 4 kids in my family varying from 6-12 age and the consensus there was opposite to every point made in this thread. I know thats not a final argument but it is just my personal stance and from my perspective, I will forever be confused. I tried to sense if they were lying but they really didn't give a shit.

That's not a good excuse, and a questionable source. At the very least it should be a scholarly paper written by someone with certifiable credentials at a reputable institution.

Weird that you'd just trust 'what a 6 year old says' over 'what every psychologist agrees'.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/107231/3d93a4cb-a3da-48c1-acef-28473e25b678/image.png The article was written by a PHD "questionable at best" I did provide evidence, and there's literally boatloads of it just a single query away. If you want me to write a paper with sources that you'll understand you can pay me first.

Donkey-brains must run in the family.

they respect their parents and don't throw tantrums over their video games. they must be mentally ill.

Why are you so fucking reluctant to understand the fact that anecdotes mean exactly nothing? Individual anecdotes can vary to extreme degrees for myriad reasons that your average untrained idiot cannot distinguish as an important factor. So your claims mean literally nothing in the face of the majority of the psychology field saying you're wrong. If you were right then psychologists wouldn't have overlooked it seeing as all it requires is literally just asking a couple of kids their opinions.

Dude, can you just answer one fucking question Why do you think the experts are wrong to such an extreme you're willing to be stupidly dishonest about it?

how am i being extreme. i said it's not a big deal; i then tried to take on board responses to take into the real world and actual physical people didn't agree that it causes everlasting trauma.

No one is saying their infallible. They do studies on large statistics of people with more data than you. To say you're right and they're wrong, there's no trauma, is to actually be dismissing people who have real trauma. Great, you must be an infallible expert to see things so clearly. if you're allowed to debunk the experts with a couple of worthless anecdotes, my anecdotes about my life to you are just as valid, and prove you're not "right" by any stretch of the imagination.

i said there were exceptions. and yes your anecdotes and others are relevant, but it doesn't make it objective that to deprive a kid of their game will cause extreme turmoil. you could say there is some evidence to suggest.... but it is a non-issue for me...

No one is saying "Depriving the kid of the game". This is the dishonest part dude. How you don't fucking get this is actually genuinely annoying to many people in this thread. You keep reading X, and saying Y, and you're fucking wrong for doing so. It isn't about "Depriving them of the game". It's about how negative punishments affect people in general, and this is generalized to a wide array of the population, where as in your mind, they're just the "Exception", the "oddity". They're really not.

You're so fucking dense, I'm surprised the first photo of a blackhole wasn't just a collective screenshot of all your posts in this thread.

Besides the whole "experts doing years worth of research said bullying causes lasting emotional issues" "oh yeah well I asked a 6 year old and they said they'd teleport behind the bullies and karate chop them in half, clearly bullying is fine" thing. Besides the whole "this is the internet and there's a 50% chance you don't even have kids in your family" thing. What did you even ask your family? Did you ask "if dad forced you to break your own video games because you were struggling in school, do you think your relationship with dad would get worse? Especially compared to if he helped you with your homework instead, and/or simply took your games away for a week?" Or did you ask "if dad took away your games for a little bit because you got bad grades - you would get the games back soon - would you be super duper traumatized and unable to move forever and ever?" Because honest framing is important. i mean it doesn't matter either way because years upon years of research outweigh "I asked a 6 year old" but this was bugging me anyway

I haven't engaged in that side of the discussion because the only thing on my mind was the child in the video and that situation only. I think it is interesting to look into the effects of penalty on human behaviour when discussed properly. I Ihink as strategies go, it is very debateable. If I punish my child to "do some work" at what point do they perceive the work as punishment rather than reward? when mr miyagi shows up? For me, the work should be a natural point of service from the beginning. And if I falsify what will happen to them as an adult by creating this mystery world at home, it is pretty dishonest to the child who will actually have the penalty and be disarmed from his/her luxury.

Can you even imagine if childhood punishments happened to adults. "Sampson, you're late for work again. Bend over, you're getting the paddle."

I asked if your nan made you smash your nintendo switch would you experience trauma. he said no because it's just a switch. ... the smaller ones maybe didn't fully grasp but said they'd find something else. These small ones are confusing but they're all different and have their own views on their particulars.

you say there are 'exceptions', but what you mean is that getting upset over a console is an outlier, and most kids who are 'normal' do not. which is not only wrong, but still a fundamental misunderstanding of what's even being discussed here.