Where's all that billionaire dosh when it comes to actually helping living, breathing people?
In 200 years people will read about the Great Fire of 2019 in the chapters of Notre Dames history, and how the fire renewed interest in the landmark.
Helping people isn't as nearly as effective PR as this.
Like, don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore history and I'm glad the building is going to be restored but this is clearly just some attempt to win over people's hearts and sadly it seems to be working.
Firefighters are fucking heroes. The whole thing would have burned if not for them
1 This isn't just billionaires, a lot of everyday people are helping. Private forests were donated as well.
2 Do you realise that if private money pays for most of the restauration, the state doesn't pay for it. Meaning theses tax euros will go to healthcare, etc instead.
Yes, in a perfect world, tax the billionaires and pay for both. But in the world we live in now where the cathedral needs to be fixed asap or it will collapse, the more private money pays for it, the less public money has to be spend on it, and big donations are objectively a good thing. And yes i'm against theses dumb tax writeoff.
A heartfelt gesture from Mostar.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110525/15b749f7-c813-4b2d-906b-29ec2c0cfec6/image.png
The Old Bridge suffered a similar fate, tho under different circumstances during the Bosnian war. Losing 400 years of it's existence from artillery shells.
It was reconstructed a decade later, with people salvaging older pieces and putting them together alongside new ones. Now it feels like it was never destroyed. And the same will apply to Notre Dame when it's rebuilt.
These monuments might lose their age, but never their purpose.
Apparently most of the stained glass survived, including the iconic giant 'flower'!
https://globalnews.ca/news/5172160/notre-dame-fire-stained-glass-windows/
Firefighters came to the Notre Dame in 45 minutes according to Stern, although the nearest two fire stations are within walking distance of Notre Dame.
The reason for the fire brigade's delay is, according to Stern, a simple one - traffic restrictions imposed by the mayor of Paris, Hidalgo. Car lanes have been reduced, and the city's policy has been to favor light traffic such as cycling and walking.
However, the result has been a constant traffic congestion in Paris, where rescue vehicles, fire engines or the police are stuck with other traffic.
Good fucking job hippies. Hope exchanging cars for bicycles was worth the Notre Dame.
Nice to see people stepping up to help the famously destitute catholic church
it's still there man calm down
Having clean air is actually worth a lot.
Even if they had been there in minutes they still would have had a hard time battling the blaze due to the size of the building. From what I've read they basically couldn't get their hoses up high enough and at the right angles to be as effective.
It also didn't help that it was apparently windy and that the roof the the cathedral was basically a tinderbox because of the ancient dry wood. I assume even in a best case scenario that the spire still would have been destroyed at the very least.
Paris has a DAMN FINE public transport system. You DON'T need a car in Paris.
Blame the people who feel the need to use a car. Blame the people who don't make room for the emergency services.
But you don't need a car in Paris.
People starve, get diseased, get killed, and vanish all the time, it isn't news. But one of the most iconic landmarks in all of Europe is under threat? All eyes are on Paris, and so will anybody who jumps on that publicity train.
Not trying to downplay the tragedy that is damage to such a venerable building, but that's just how it be.
Even for a thread about a cathedral burning down, this take is probably the hottest thing so far.
I mean the thing was burning for hours, it's not like the extra 10 or so minutes made a whole lot of difference.
I love history and visiting historical sites but they're not the be all end all, and reducing pollution and emissions is absolutely a worthwhile cause.
and on top of that, Notre dame is a symbol of the lost spirit of Europe, its current state is like a metaphor, of a people who have lost their soul and want to keep the facade of it. it maintains the outside shape, but it has long sense been gutted. :,( The reason it has gone might be that people only saw it as a thing, but it was actually a church, a source of light for the people of Paris for centuries. it can't be rebuilt truly, but only can it be replaced with a spiritless attempt at saving the visual, rather than the meaning. may God bless the people of France, and may you french citizens know, that it might be best to leave it as it is, and maintain what is left, as a remind of what careless ignorance can do. but I am a mere Christian who will be ignored as I am seen as a boy blinded by faith, but i'd rather know in god than be blinded by materialism. My heart beats with pain of knowing what happened, and what has been happening to christian holy sites in France as of late, by many groups, but please don't think i am a bigot, a bigot hate those who are different. I love everyone as I know that I am a flawed being, no matter what, I could be on the chopping block in Syria, and still use my last words to pray for the executioners soul. Notre dame is gone, but what is left is the physical representation of the European heart. thank you for reading this ramble note, but please know that I am in Kentucky and I can't stop thinking of the loss you guys have just taken. 846 years it stood, not it falls, and we all wish it to be an accident but that is jumping to a conclusion too.
yeah kinda is
https://twitter.com/CarolineWinslow/status/1118140465814089733
Organ is A-OK along with "almost" all three of the rose windows.
I don't get how anyone who cares about the planet, wants to reduce excessive consumption of incredibly costly-to-make vehicles, and doesn't want their children to die screaming as the whole planet catches alight is a "hippie". Jesus.
Something about the second image is weirdly unnerving. Like looking at a relic of the past that has been abandoned for decades but it happened not even a day ago.
There something beautiful about it.
1. Everyday people donations are virtually nothing (a few millions at most) compared to the wads of cash that the people who usually whine about taxes suddenly seem to be able to drop, no questions asked.
2. These billionaires literally wouldn't have done any of this were it not for tax write-offs. Just look at Pinault's bullshit a few pages back. Write-offs basically mean that money that would have been taxed and redistributed towards public services will be used on restoration instead. Instead of just the right amount of public money being progressively collected and used to restore the building, more money than necessary will be blocked all at once, unavailable for other, more useful uses, confined to the cathedral until it is restored.
So no, these tax-exempt donations actually have the opposite effect to what you claim. It may very well take public money away from more important endeavours.
The Catholic Church doesn't own the Notre Dame, it belongs to the French government.
While the Catholic Church has exclusive rights to run it, the building itself does not actually belong to the Vatican.
I live near Paris, it always had lots of traffic. Even without theses they would have taken that much time to come. Blame the people not moving when there's an emergency vehicle, and the ones taking their cars in fucking Paris period.
good job trying to clear the roads to make room for ambulances and fire engines hippies!
good job expecting people to move over for fire engines while notre dame is visibly burning down hippies!
good job disincentivizing eco-unfriendly behavior rather than the decidedly more hippie-ish option of banning it outright hippies!
I still want to know HOW it happened
Probably short circuit from the generator powering the neon lights in the scaffoldings/framing. They werent doing any work involving heat that day. Electricity was usually prohibited in the roof but the crew had some installed for the restauration work.
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Alright the windows and organ are safe, but what about the gargoyles? you know the second most iconic thing about the Notre Dame?
I heard that some of the copper statues had been taken down days beforehand, but the gargoyles are sandstone sculptures and it deteriorating condition. What happened to them? i need to know.
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