HBO confirms that Game of Thrones’ Starbucks coffee cameo was a mistake
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There's a lot of people here pretending to pay attention to the show tbh
Please elaborate on the 'blinding supernova' of issues you have with the last few episodes.
i don't think anyone had a real issue with it other than the fact it was pretty funny
Dany did indeed forget about the fleet! They mention the fleet earlier on in the episode, and during the after-show interview-thing, D&D confirm themselves that Dany took the joyflight because she forgot. Yay!
No, quote from the writers themselves: "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron fleet and Euron's forces". The ballista's first bolt here wasn't much more effective than the bolt that hits when they encountered one with the Lannisters, anyway - same with the 2nd bolt, too.
Just because the schmucks who break the episode down for people who weren't paying attention said something doesn't change the fact that while discussing the iron fleet they explicitly stated that the dragons would obliterate them easily, as boats are extremely susceptible to fire and effective anti-aircraft weaponry has never been demonstrated in-universeYay!
I have a lot of problems with this last episode (and to a degree the whole direction that we're heading) and the kinds of leaps of logic that it expects you to make. Are we spoilering this stuff? I'm spoilering this stuff just incase.
Even if they "didn't forget about the fleet" they still didn't expect it to appear at dragonstone even if dragonstone is pretty close to kings landing. You'd just hope that maybe some kind of aerial unit flying thousands of feet above the water would see them coming or something though. I am slightly willing to believe that this was a good ambush by Euron even though its weird that dragonstone is just empty of people who could spot that fleet too.
So they get ambushed at dragonstone and dany's ships get destroyed. But they just destroy the ships and don't go around cleaning up any survivors from the battles? These are greyjoys who are infamously dangerous on the water and this is an enemy they came here to stop. Was Euron's plan just to bully them and go back home? Why did anyone survive from Dany's ships? There was no threat to euron's ships that anyone can tell right?
Crossbow/ballista technology is downright magic in this in general from Bronns fancy one that doesn't require reloading or even to have the cord pulled back? Extremely accurate and either euron fired three repeated shots half a second apart at rhegael or three individual bowman in a row got the best hits of their life. These ballistas just cheapen the dragons so much. It cheapens the night king for successfully killing one and it is plot armor in the extreme for the horny punkrock pirate.
Speaking of, why didn't dany just fly around and scorch them from behind Euron's ships? Or at least display her doing something to protect the survivors of the ships.
AND WHATS WITH THAT BRONN SCENE. What was the point of that? He travels weeks of journey time to winterfell, arrives the night after an insane battle against the dead took place, waltzes in uncontested and casually finds the exact room that tyrion and jaime just happen to be alone in. Tyrion is the HAND OF THE QUEEN. He would absolutely be guarded right? Bronn was fighting against dany's forces in the very previous season. There is absolutely no way he could get close and find them so easily. Then of course there is absolutely zero tension with this scene because nobody thinks anyone's actually going to die here and one conversation with a promise that cannot possibly be kept and he's gone. This dude is a scoundrel that knows enough about how the world works to not just believe that.
Why is Sansa at all interested in Jon in any kind of leadership role after constantly second guessing and being irate about every move he makes? She hates that he just bent the knee to Dany why would she think he wouldn't roll over for anybody else? I guess she's just still primarily concerned with this drama as she has been the whole time since the liberation of winterfell while way bigger things exist to worry about.
Why didn't Jon pet ghost? (this one is pedantic and i realize they have officially said it was too hard to film Jon petting a sized up CGI wolf)
Why didn't Cersei just annihilate Dany, her leadership, and the 50 unsullied that there there during the last scene? She is absolutely not above that. Cheap plot contrivance to make sure we get a big battle later.
Why is kings landing have the same desert gate as qarth (yes they filmed in the same location and then edited it in post) I find it very difficult to believe deforestation to this degree because kings landing has constantly been shown next to mountains in a tropical forest even as recent as the destruction of the sept of baelor. Needlessly weird consistency issue and that whole conversation could have happened literally anywhere.
Why is winter not a thing anymore? They showed it snowing in kings landing in the last season and winters have been so famously magically debilitating to most of westeros that everyone is stuck in survival mode the entire time.
Was bran's whole plot line literally just to confirm jon's true name? That positively cheapens his whole story and everyone who died to get him there. You'd think he'd be pretty useful with the powers we have seen him have before but he doesn't really seem to get involved at all. I am just waiting for the "there must always be a lich night king" line before the end to truly make us feel good about the white walker segment of the show.
As a personal opinion, i liked the cinematography and the absolutely madness that was the 3rd episode. I think it's pretty wild they just dealt with the night king in one episode, but whatever. What i do have a problem with is this needless political drama with cersei just being forced to happen right after that. Because the show was written to have it happen and now we're stuck with the last couple episodes being about it. I feel like its just really weird to go from a magic cataclysmic threat of the white walkers to cersei like she's even that big of a deal. And the only reason she's a big deal is because she's being written with some of the worst plot armor the show has ever had in the form of Euron who is primarily concerned with having sex as a motivation and is pretty much the extent of his character. All these cool evil characters / villains and THIS is what we're they top it off with? They claim that aside from the golden company (which has to be paid) cersei is losing support from the other kingdoms and others are turning to Dany. So just play this smart and clean up. I know it'd be easier if winter was actually coming (spoiler alert they said it already was winter) but don't worry about it.
Listen guys, i loved the books, i don't think we'll ever see a finale and i hope i'm wrong about that. But this show has seriously suffered in every aspect where they didn't have source material to go off of. The dornish plot line was the first of this and the 6th/7th season are the same. They are making this high budget mass appeal battle scenes as the focus with the rest of the plot suffering immensely. I'm not saying i know better about how you wrap up all this build up in a satisfying way and i'd probably argue that it is just way more likely that it sinks instead of floats, but its still really frustrating to watch this play out. I promise i'm mad because i'm invested and i care about the show. I hope there is a payoff in the next couple weekends.
Didn't that british mansion posh fuck show have a water bottle on some fireplace mantle and people lost their collective shit over it because "muh historical accuracy"? This is the same thing, it's not a product placement, it's just the between take break making a cameo.
Um okay
I was just correcting a misconception you had. I really don't have a horse in this race.
Talk about "beaning it".
Both of those things are irrelevant to the fact that the writers decided that she actually forgot about their enemy having a fleet. It isn't some small inconsequential thing needs no consideration at all, it's a huge part of their enemies main force, weeks after they encountered something that is actually a threat to the dragons and was small enough to be mounted on a wagon. Both in-universe an out of it, it was an utterly stupid choice that shouldn't be defended.
Look, I get this, but Emilia Clarke is sitting right there. It's right in front of her.
Ballistas being more powerful than fucking torpedoes and rockets. Ballista bolts piercing dragons even though in the lore, they're basically impossible to kill, only piercing them in the eye works. The bullshit of how Cersei couldn't just fire her fucking Scorpion Ballistas at Dany and Tyrion while they stood unguarded outside of King's landing. Jon not even interacting with his Direwolf Snow. People jumping over all over the place with disregard of the scale of Westeros. I can go on for a long fucking time here...
You shouldn't take quotes from edited down interviews so literally. "X may have forgotten about Y, but Y hasn't forgotten about X" is a relatively common phrase that doesn't necessarily mean that they literally forgot. They have to boil down their thoughts into a brief snippet that will fit into their talking head section, a lot of what they mean can get lost in translation.
The reason why we're all fucking livid about GoT is that we all loved GoT. Watching it go down the drain like this is fucking depressing.
I haven't really been following the show, but I looked on the GOT subreddit when I came across a comment pointing out the ridiculousness elsewhere and the force at which the ballistas launch the bolts are on the scale of rockets (the Saturn V kind) with the accuracy of proximity fused WW2 AA fire.
The only saving grace is that S8 is giving some good memes
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https://i.imgur.com/GwGKS3hl.jpg <- spoilers for s8
https://preview.redd.it/uhxjzn7ya6x21.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0fcbb6389d3f47f2794eb20214186aafc888835a <- spoilers for s8
https://preview.redd.it/vucdmxd6dlw21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b71ce04e2a956973b3af60725d72407486760456 <- spoilers for s8
Like I get that mistakes happen and people are only human, etc. But honestly I can count on one hand the amount of times a mistake this big has slipped by and gotten on the air. It doesn't happen that often.
$15 million an episode. I really don't think there's a feasible way to downplay this
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