Apple announces new Mac Pro, ends cylindrical design - Sensationalist Headlines

That's a Sony reference monitor, they brought that up to say "look at this dumb shit" before revealing their own monitor matches the features for $4999

so they replaced the self immolating trashcan with the heated cheese shredder

Are you telling me this mac can grate and melt cheese at the same time? I’m sold on the new apple fondue.

All the bad stuff aside, this is the first time in a long while that Apple aren't compromising on performance in any significant way. 28-core Xeon W, 6 channel memory, 4 fully enabled 7nm Vegas, tons of airflow and that custom video accelerator, it's pretty much as good as it gets. As far as I can tell from here, the MPX modules are completely optional and basically just extend the normal PCIe slots with an additional connector for power and routing displayport signals back to the rest of the system? You should still be able to install normal PCIe cards in it, though it only comes with 2 8-pin power connectors, so good luck putting more than one or two high-end GPUs in it.

Here's an excerpt from an article from The Verge: The new Mac Pro is launching this fall with a starting price of $5,999. That’s with a spec vastly below its maxed out exciting new features: you get 32GB of memory, an octa-core Intel Xeon CPU, Radeon Pro 580X graphics, and a 256GB SSD. Decided to have a look around and see what you can get with that sort of money, and here's what I found. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/679/71210e3e-23c5-4b14-bd65-4a37fd0dcbec/computer.PNG https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/679/b6f69f1d-0ea6-43aa-ad1b-c2d9ba9f5bcf/radeon pro.PNG At a grand total of £4,568.43. Exchanged rate back to US rates, that's $5,785.92 for a 32c/64t processor, 64GB memory, 2TB NVMe SSD, and a 16GB Radeon Pro Vega I'm also aware that over in the US you don't pay VAT out the ass like we Brits do, so you could probably do even better than that.

The "power on PCI" pins on PCI cards is pretty cool and I hope it catches on in the PC market. The rest? LOL

You're also missing the 1400 watt psu, case, ECC ram, cooling, very high performing SSDs etc. Using AMD is kind of cheating vs Intel but I'm surprised Apple didn't go with AMD in the first place Either way it's not worth it to buy the 8-core mac pro to begin with - its target audience is people that will go for the 20-core+ specs for rendering and stuff

5999 FOR ONLY 259GB SSD?! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!

Aye I appreciate that there's stuff missing from that list - and that the target audience is for professionals who need things missing from the TR4 platform such as Dual 10GB ethernet and EEC RAM etc. but at that point you'd be spending so much money on a single system that again you'd probably be better suited with going for an AMD setup, especially with the amount of threads Epyc provides for the money. That was just more to show how ridiculously overpriced the base Mac Pro is, and the amount of hardware you can buy for that sort of money (Even if the system is incomplete, but if you'll willingly shell out $6000+ for a workstation I doubt adding on a PSU/Case to the price is really going to bother you that much anyway)

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Yikes we really get bummed here in the UK huh

Since their move to x86_64 I don't think Apple have ever used AMD. Despite how well they've done in the past and are on track to do, AMD have always had this second-class citizen treatment. Whenever companies talk about high performance computing you can probably guarantee they really mean "we paid out the ass for this Xeon cluster because everybody knows Intel is the best". (not that going with AMD would cut the price of this fucking stupid thing, Apple would just increase their profit margins from "fucking absurd" to "fucking absurd plus a bit more")

you could get this amazing machine https://www.corsair.com/medias/sys_master/images/images/h68/h4e/9221768282142/-CS-9020005-NA-Gallery-CORSAIR-ONE-i165-01.png CORSAIR ONE i165 Compact Gaming PC — Intel® Core™ i9-9900K, NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 2080 Ti, 32GB DDR4-2666, 960GB NVMe M.2 SSD, 2TB HDD, Windows 10 Pro $3,799.99USD and still have many many thousands left over for peripherals

You're kind of misinterpreting the target audience, I feel. This is for people who need serious hardware for extremely high-res video editing, machine learning development, etc. It's not for gamers and it's not for normal businesspeople (but they'll certainly buy it to feel cool)

I wonder if those sweatshop Chinese children are going to be killing themselves alot more once they found out they're making electric cheese grinders that their boss is selling for their entire lifetime wage.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110042/14f2525b-713c-4e4e-bad3-94dbdacccf4b/image.png my 4k and 1440p155hz monitors cost less that the stand for an apple monitor

Yeah my 1440p, 165hz, IPS, G-Sync monitor cost me a whole $200 less than the fucking stand. Plus the stand included with my monitor has the features the Pro Stand gives you heh.

It's kinda hard to draw comparisons until we can see the fully spec'ed prices; its carrying a lot of extra expansion room and features you might not really make use of till higher specs.

hold on, what is this called? is it real? why does it look like a PVM?

You could probably build a dual socket EYPC monster with 128 threads and it would still be the same price

Jesus McChrist, imagine cheaping out on screws for an accessory for a $5K machine. Fucking screws.

Better power delivery from the PCIe slot itself is a cool feature and I hope we might be able to see something like that the future with a PCIe 5.0. But having it be proprietary to Apple hardware on top of all the other nonsense about this machine? Nah. Let's not even mention the ludicrous price. One step forward with moving away from Lightning to standard USB-C, two steps back with this nonsense. C'mon Apple, I was actually starting to not hate you.

Cheese grater jokes aside, I'm very happy to see Apple pushing their hardware design language somewhere new and strange after 10-odd years of total stagnation. This thing looks downright weird, and I think that's absolutely delightful.

What’s with this meme about pointing out how parts cost less separately? Custom builds will always be more affordable than prebuilds, we know this coming from the PC market. What we should discuss is Apple’s claim that their prebuild is more affordable and better assembled than the competition. https://i.imgur.com/Vv8eitB.png

Simply a lie, here's a near identical configuration with the best 8-core Xeon on offer: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/109887/ca2c8c3c-9c6c-4f8f-9285-3f3f52bde881/image.png

At least now people wont be inclined to throw their half-empty drink into the thing. https://youtu.be/mWrsUtUYBwU

https://twitter.com/dimensionmedia/status/1135721615357095938

that picture though is just ridiculous, there's no reason why that computer should cost nearly 10 grand with those specs, they should feel ashamed to put up those specs next to that price tag but they get away with it

The monitor stand is a direct callback to the iMac G4. Plus the front of the Mac Pro reminds me of the bottom grate on the G4 Cube: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/441/01f5b34b-e1b1-4fb1-9e2b-44151203084f/image.jpeg I’ll probably want to pick up a set of this stuff in like ten years when it’s reasonably priced, it just feels like a return to form. I just hope they learned their lesson with the MacBooks and that they plan to make the thing less of a shitshow.

So much more goes into a workstation class computer than just the raw hardware specs. Enormous amounts of expansion and tons of custom case design, and specialized components all contribute to a much higher cost than a comparable desktop PC. Everyone here pointing and laughing with their threadrippers held high aren’t really understanding the target audience and competition.