[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;53130928]trash[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53131181]Left-wing news source that mostly specializes in politics. Their articles feel more like blogs to me than publications.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53131207]You must be using the term "news" loosely there.[/QUOTE]
MBFC says they have a left bias but highly factual reporting rating. I wouldn't use them as a primary source but they aren't as bad as I thought.
[QUOTE=redBadger;53132119]Getting sick of sites being able to detect adblockers now. They need to improve adblockers to fuck these people over.[/QUOTE]
... To fuck these people over?
Do you want all news sites to resort to paywalls or native advertising?
A lot of local journalism already can only survive by suckering up to large companies/philanthropists and getting them to fund them, and by catering to the lowest common denominator.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;53131759]I've added salon.com to my pihole's block list. Nothing on my network can access it now.[/QUOTE]
Where do you install the Pihole in the network? You can't really route Ethernet through it, since it only has one port. Excuse me for the stupid question.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53132631]Where do you install the Pihole in the network? You can't really route Ethernet through it, since it only has one port. Excuse me for the stupid question.[/QUOTE]
I guess you set your device's DNS server to be RaspPi?
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53132631]Where do you install the Pihole in the network? You can't really route Ethernet through it, since it only has one port. Excuse me for the stupid question.[/QUOTE]
Its just hanging off a port on my switch. You just tell your computer/DHCP server to use the ip of the raspberry pi running pihole as your primary DNS server.
[editline]14th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=halfer;53132023]Looked up pihole, seems interesting for devices that can't adblock.
I do have generally bad experiences using stuff like hosts blockers, though. Most adblock lists cause problems like YouTube history not working, does it happen with lists provided with pihole?[/QUOTE]
I don't use youtube history so I can't comment on that.
[QUOTE=Sombrero;53130990]What happened to non intrusive static ads?[/QUOTE]
People blocked them.
[QUOTE=redBadger;53132119]Getting sick of sites being able to detect adblockers now. They need to improve adblockers to fuck these people over.[/QUOTE]
Block scripts on the ones that do:
[img]https://my.mixtape.moe/floffj.png[/img]
[QUOTE=geel9;53133182]People blocked them.[/QUOTE]
Companies also aren't willing to pay as much for displaying them, since they aren't as effective
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53134182]Companies also aren't willing to pay as much for displaying them, since they aren't as effective[/QUOTE]
Mainly because so many people block them. They need to extract more value out of fewer ad-capable pageviews.
[QUOTE=geel9;53134186]Mainly because so many people block them. They need to extract more value out of fewer ad-capable pageviews.[/QUOTE]
Thats part, but it's also just the effectiveness per impression.
There's a reason people say they tolerate small banners and text ads, and that's because they can easily ignore them.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53134196]Thats part, but it's also just the effectiveness per impression.
There's a reason people say they tolerate small banners and text ads, and that's because they can easily ignore them.[/QUOTE]
Sure, and scumbags were always going to take it as far as they could, regardless of adblockers.
It's an arms race between ad blockers and websites where websites need to extract the same value out of an ever-shrinking base of users who actually have any value.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;53130983]it's in the OP[/QUOTE]
Ah ok then I agree, that is scummy.
Makes me wonder if gpu javascript mining would be possible with webgl
[QUOTE=redBadger;53132119]Getting sick of sites being able to detect adblockers now. They need to improve adblockers to fuck these people over.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what functions ads and cryptominers serve?
They keep your free services free.
If you don't like them, that's fine. Block them. But don't get bitchy if they find a way to detect that you're blocking them and refuse to give you the service that you aren't helping maintain.
[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53135145]Makes me wonder if gpu javascript mining would be possible with webgl[/QUOTE]
As far as I know there is no way to access the GPU as a compute device via webgl or webassembly, at least not yet.
[QUOTE=phygon;53135173]Do you know what functions ads and cryptominers serve?
They keep your free services free.[/QUOTE]
Also as a vessel to deliver malware and collect user data to sell in bulk.
[QUOTE=phygon;53135173]Do you know what functions ads and cryptominers serve?
They keep your free services free.
If you don't like them, that's fine. Block them. But don't get bitchy if they find a way to detect that you're blocking them and refuse to give you the service that you aren't helping maintain.
[/QUOTE]
JS miners don't even work as a substitute for ads in terms of revenue, and as I said before, the end-user actually pays [I]more in actual cash[/I] than the website is making.
[QUOTE=LegoGuy;53132030]Alright, so, a friend of mine has a [URL="https://drakeluce.com/cryptocurrency/mine.html"]JavaScript miner on his personal website[/URL] (purely optional, you have to start it up yourself) Using chrome (cuz it won't load in FireFox for some reason) It's reporting a hash rate of 80 per second (I have an i7 5820k) according to HWMonitor, while it's up, it consumes 85w up from 22w, so let's be generous and assume that 60w is being used for mining. According to [URL="http://whattomine.com/coins/101-xmr-cryptonight?utf8=✓&hr=80&p=65&fee=0.0&cost=0.1&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate"]this[/URL] (at current prices and difficulty) I'm gonna make them $2.27 [I]per month[/I] while I'm spending [I]4.32[/I] per month on electricity. (Edit: This assumes I'm running 24/7)
By comparison here's [URL="https://www.hochmanconsultants.com/cost-of-ppc-advertising/"]cost per click.[/URL]
[editline]14th February 2018[/editline]
So, I'm gonna be spending more in electricity than they'd be making in revenue from CPU mining. It's moronic.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LegoGuy;53137167]JS miners don't even work as a substitute for ads in terms of revenue, and as I said before, the end-user actually pays [I]more in actual cash[/I] than the website is making.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the websites that have the audacity to run crypto miners care about what you, the customer, spends?
All they care about is what they, the site owner, makes.
You could shell out $10,000,000, and they wouldn't give a single toss so long as they made $0.01.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;53137169]Do you think the websites that have the audacity to run crypto miners care about what you, the customer, spends?
All they care about is what they, the site owner, makes.
You could shell out $10,000,000, and they wouldn't give a single toss so long as they made $0.01.[/QUOTE]
You speak as if the people who refuse to contribute in any way to the websites they use have any different of a mindset.
[QUOTE=geel9;53137223]You speak as if the people who refuse to contribute in any way to the websites they use have any different of a mindset.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't.
In absolutely no way, shape, or form, does my post in any way whatsoever even possibly hint at reflecting the possibility that these users have any different mindset.
You could win an Olympic medal with the amount of mental gymnastics required to somehow construe that.
These sites don't give a single fuck how much money people lose, so long as they gain money. And I, like many others I suspect, don't give a single fuck if these sites go broke and have to shut down.
If a site has so little respect, so much [i]contempt[/i], for their userbase as to go to such audacious measures as forcing crypto-mining on users without explicit permission, then it's my opinion that said userbase should return that lack of respect and that utter contempt in spades.
And before anyone makes the "but the site needs money to stay online" argument, I counter with this: if your business model doesn't work, then change the business model. If your business model means you "have" to force crypto-miners to keep your website afloat, then I would seriously reevaluate your business model. Not all business models are created equal, and not all businesses are entitled to stay afloat. Some business models deserve to sink, and the businesses that choose to pursue them deserve to sink with them.
[QUOTE=phygon;53135173]Do you know what functions ads and cryptominers serve?
They keep your free services free.
If you don't like them, that's fine. Block them. But don't get bitchy if they find a way to detect that you're blocking them and refuse to give you the service that you aren't helping maintain.
[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]
As far as I know there is no way to access the GPU as a compute device via webgl or webassembly, at least not yet.[/QUOTE]
Didn't we already have this conversation in that thread where you decided that injecting your own cryptominer on CSGO servers was perfectly moral without notifying anyone or even asking permission?
I feel like you of all people REALLY don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation... ever...
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53137454]Didn't we already have this conversation in that thread where you decided that injecting your own cryptominer on CSGO servers was perfectly moral without notifying anyone or even asking permission?
I feel like you of all people REALLY don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation... ever...[/QUOTE]
I mean his argument was completely dismantled by several other people and it wasn't enough to do anything more than make him leave the thread. It's to be expected he'd just go into the next available thread and continue doing the same shit rather than challenging his own views.
[QUOTE=geel9;53133182]People blocked them.[/QUOTE]
You must be very young... Massive flashing banner ads that made noises when you mouse over them (hell-ooooo!) were around long before blocking ads was possible
[QUOTE=phygon;53135173]As far as I know there is no way to access the GPU as a compute device via webgl or webassembly, at least not yet.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://threejs.org/examples/#webgl_animation_cloth"]Move over grandpa[/URL].
You ought to use google before making claims :v:
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53137454]Didn't we already have this conversation in that thread where you decided that injecting your own cryptominer on CSGO servers was perfectly moral without notifying anyone or even asking permission?
I feel like you of all people REALLY don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation... ever...[/QUOTE]
I completely fail to see how that's relevant at all. I also did not say that it was perfectly moral to do it without notifying anyone, that was actually one of my major points for the entirety of the debate.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;53137970]I mean his argument was completely dismantled by several other people and it wasn't enough to do anything more than make him leave the thread. It's to be expected he'd just go into the next available thread and continue doing the same shit rather than challenging his own views.[/QUOTE]
I posted a book's worth of arguments and I had said all that I had to say, very few points within which were refuted. Of course I moved on, I'm not going to obsessively argue with multiple people for days. Are you actually getting down on me for not being obsessive enough in defending my position after I defended it for multiple days?
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53138505][URL="https://threejs.org/examples/#webgl_animation_cloth"]Move over grandpa[/URL].
You ought to use google before making claims :v:[/QUOTE]
I actually did do a bit of googling before I wrote that, and I couldn't find any information on it.
Is that actually running a compute shader, or is it doing something else? The page doesn't have much info.
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;53137334]
If a site has so little respect, so much [i]contempt[/i], for their userbase as to go to such audacious measures as forcing crypto-mining on users without explicit permission, then it's my opinion that said userbase should return that lack of respect and that utter contempt in spades.
[/QUOTE]
The website in the article asks for explicit permission, did you read the article?
[QUOTE=phygon;53138905]The website in the article asks for explicit permission, did you read the article?[/QUOTE]
I mean did you? Or the thread? It's covered in both that it starts before you even consent if you click learn more. It's even in the OP snippet.
[QUOTE=Levelog;53138997]I mean did you? Or the thread? It's covered in both that it starts before you even consent if you click learn more. It's even in the OP snippet.[/QUOTE]
Hitting the button does not make you opt in, though. It makes sense that a page intended to inform readers of what something is would activate it, so that users could actually, you know, understand how it running would affect them.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53137454]Didn't we already have this conversation in that thread where you decided that injecting your own cryptominer on CSGO servers was perfectly moral without notifying anyone or even asking permission?
I feel like you of all people REALLY don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation... ever...[/QUOTE]
I massively disagree'd with him but I think this really misunderstands the crux of his argument
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
Funnily enough I'm actually OK with opt in cryptominers, but that's the big bold print for me, '[B]OPT IN[/B]'
i'm not going to defend how much it actually works or its practicality, but when they actually ask first that's quite a difference.
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Alice3173;53137970]I mean his argument was completely dismantled by several other people and it wasn't enough to do anything more than make him leave the thread. It's to be expected he'd just go into the next available thread and continue doing the same shit rather than challenging his own views.[/QUOTE]
He's allowed to have that opinion. I do the same thing as he does really, argue across threads. Nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE=prinner;53138490]You must be very young... Massive flashing banner ads that made noises when you mouse over them (hell-ooooo!) were around long before blocking ads was possible[/QUOTE]
Just got a flashback
[Media]https://youtu.be/DO6taeNZE5o[/media]
[QUOTE=J!NX;53139601]I massively disagree'd with him but I think this really misunderstands the crux of his argument
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
Funnily enough I'm actually OK with opt in cryptominers, but that's the big bold print for me, '[B]OPT IN[/B]'
i'm not going to defend how much it actually works or its practicality, but when they actually ask first that's quite a difference.
[editline]17th February 2018[/editline]
He's allowed to have that opinion. I do the same thing as he does really, argue across threads. Nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
Opt in is fine, treating a non-answer as consent is not.
This is pretty shitty if you're running a laptop and it will instantly sap your battery life. Nothing can stop me from installing a miner blocker though too!
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