Sex to boost film career is 'not rape': Weinstein lawyer - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=aznz888;53177574]if someone willingly chooses(and is not coerced into) sex with someone who has more power in order to gain a connection and advance their career, i don't have any fault with that. plenty of men and women do it. if someone is told "if you don't suck my dick, i'm going to rip this opportunity out from under your feet, and your career is over", then that's a combo of blackmail and rape.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. Using sex to advance your career isn't rape. Rape, on the other hand, is rape.

coercing women into sex by threatening to destroy their careers is criminal. don't rationalise it with your own technicality because it makes you look like a cock.

[QUOTE=aznz888;53177574]if someone willingly chooses(and is not coerced into) sex with someone who has more power in order to gain a connection and advance their career, i don't have any fault with that. plenty of men and women do it. if someone is told "if you don't suck my dick, i'm going to rip this opportunity out from under your feet, and your career is over", then that's a combo of blackmail and rape.[/QUOTE] i think that while it's very risky for someone to initiate a sexual relationship with someone above them in the workforce, it's a risk they're free to take. they're not abusing any power or coercing anybody into anything (presumably), as ill advised as i'd say it is. however, i think the responsible action is for the person with the power to decline the sexual relationship and keep it professional. this isn't a 'the boss can never sleep with anyone' situation, it's a 'the boss should know better than to accept sexual persuit from someone working under them and seek partners elsewhere'. however what weinstein did is a whole, completely separate ballgame. he initiated massive amounts of unwanted sexual advances, he intimidated people, he exposed himself and trapped women, he made veiled and direct threats, he extorted people for his own sexual gratification, he had people spy on and keep people quiet, and many more things. do not equate the other things to this level of criminality. that's completely different to both a boss accepting sexual advances from someone under them in the workplace, something i still disagree with, and perusing someone above you sexually in the workplace. i don't think someone is to be blamed for trying to sleep with their boss, though it's definitely not advisable, but i think their boss is to be held accountable for reciprocating, knowing the power he or she has over the other person. ultimately they're still both taking massive, ill advised risks, but the boss has a responsibility to use their power correctly.

[QUOTE=usaokay;53177616]So for the preceding example, if the person who had sex did it in an effort to further their professional career and later regrets it, but ends up getting punished for blabbing, was the sex consensual or rape? Not disagreeing or anything. Just wanna cover all kinds of fronts.[/QUOTE] If the one in lower power willingly had sex knowing the risks and all and were the ones who initiated it(as opposed to the one in power initiating, which has a different context), then if they regret the sex it's not rape. If you regret having a relationship with someone, and at any given point you could have walked away without any risk of consequence that was not acknowledged, then that can't be rape. In this case, if the person [I]willingly[/I] chose to take the risk of their career being shot OR boosted by attempting to sleep with a superior, then I don't think that can be considered rape. If the person in power is the one who initiates and they [I]use their rank to leverage themselves against the other person[/I], then that is a form of rape, in my opinion. It's blackmailing someone into doing what they wouldn't want to do, either with a reward of accomplishment, or a fear of punishment, or both. In any case, as Rusty said, no matter which side starts the relationship, dipping your pen in the company ink is an extremely ill-advised move.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53177479]it's not "you suck dick and you're wonder woman" or "you dont suck dick and youre not wonder woman" it's "you suck dick and you're wonder woman" or "you dont suck dick and you literally cannot be in any major production because i will blacklist you"[/QUOTE] True, in this business it really seems like this is the case. Im pretty sure the judge will take that into account. I do get the feeling that there are other businesses where its: "Suck dick to become wonder woman faster", or "wonder woman instead of the other women"

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53177398]Technically, it may not be rape But coercing someone into having sex is just as bad you twat[/QUOTE] Coercing someone into having sex [I]is[/I] one of the definitions of rape. [quote=Wikipedia][Rape] may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent.[/quote]

This case is so strange from the get-go. Were the women "forced" to have sex or risk being blacklisted, or was this like some weird case of prostitution? Needless to say, if this is the best defense hollywood lawyers can get him, he should be screwed right?

[QUOTE=booster;53178454]This case is so strange from the get-go. Were the women "forced" to have sex or risk being blacklisted, or was this like some weird case of prostitution? Needless to say, if this is the best defense hollywood lawyers can get him, he should be screwed right?[/QUOTE] Most likely both. There are women who were coerced into it and I'm assuming that there are also women who were just fine with using sex to get ahead. Naturally we don't hear about them though.

Gotta feel bad for women, deal with so much shit. Tis why I don't trust many dudes.

[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;53178704]Gotta feel bad for women, deal with so much shit. Tis why I don't trust many dudes.[/QUOTE] speaking as someone who actually calls himself a feminist, you don't have to distrust people for being men (?????) to care about women's problems. come on.

God he is quite possibly one of the most disgusting human beings I have ever seen. The worst part is there are more people like Weinstein in Hollywood we don't even know about yet. There are still monsters that are out there destroying the lives of innocent people, and they could be anyone.

[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;53178704]Gotta feel bad for women, deal with so much shit. Tis why I don't trust many dudes.[/QUOTE] I don't get when men say this... Do you trust extreme feminist propaganda over your own thoughts and emotions, or are you a rapist yourself?

the fact that this lawyer who represents a gatekeeping predator thinks that the majority of women in hollywood who accuse people of rape are just sleeping around for their careers really is the kind of cognitive dissonance you can only get in hollywood

[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;53178704]Gotta feel bad for women, deal with so much shit. Tis why I don't trust many dudes.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying but that's not a very good way to word it. It sounds extremely hostile to males for being males biologically.

Not so much “boost” but more “not have your career destroyed by a pervert”

[QUOTE=aznz888;53179401]I get what you're saying but that's not a very good way to word it. It sounds extremely hostile to males for being males biologically.[/QUOTE] When statistics of male-on-female violence are so astoundingly high, it's difficult not to be at least a little wary and distrustful by default when you're on the receiving end of that statistic. My trust for men is definitely slipping as I discover this.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53180443]When statistics of male-on-female violence are so astoundingly high, it's difficult not to be at least a little wary and distrustful by default when you're on the receiving end of that statistic. My trust for men is definitely slipping as I discover this.[/QUOTE] Maybe don't have specific trust for a particular gender?

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53180443]When statistics of male-on-female violence are so astoundingly high, it's difficult not to be at least a little wary and distrustful by default when you're on the receiving end of that statistic. My trust for men is definitely slipping as I discover this.[/QUOTE] Condemning an entire population based on one singular attribute that they have in common has [I]never[/I] been the answer in any civil rights movement. Male-on-female violence, assault, and abuse [I]is[/I] extremely high. Women absolutely have a right to be on the defense in public, because you never know what you might be dealing with. [URL="https://researchtobedone.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/for-those-who-dont-understand-schrodingers-rapist/"]Schrodinger's Rapist(as much as I hate that term) was a real eye opener for me in understanding what it means to be a woman in a male-dominant society.[/URL] But attacking men for being biologically male is not helpful to creating an understanding and respect between sexes. We, as males, do have to acknowledge that we are more powerful than the average woman, both physically and as well as the natural privileges we receive just for being born into a male-dominant society. It's not something we can control, just the same way most women cannot control that they have to be on guard all the time in order to reduce the risk of being victimized. The goal is to understand each other, not to attack one another.

[QUOTE=aznz888;53180508]Condemning an entire population based on one singular attribute that they have in common has [I]never[/I] been the answer in any civil rights movement. Male-on-female violence, assault, and abuse [I]is[/I] extremely high. Women absolutely have a right to be on the defense in public, because you never know what you might be dealing with. [URL="https://researchtobedone.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/for-those-who-dont-understand-schrodingers-rapist/"]Schrodinger's Rapist(as much as I hate that term) was a real eye opener for me in understanding what it means to be a woman in a male-dominant society.[/URL] But attacking men for being biologically male is not helpful to creating an understanding and respect between sexes. We, as males, do have to acknowledge that we are more powerful than the average woman, both physically and as well as the natural privileges we receive just for being born into a male-dominant society. It's not something we can control, just the same way most women cannot control that they have to be on guard all the time in order to reduce the risk of being victimized. The goal is to understand each other, not to attack one another.[/QUOTE] I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just more and more on the defensive when it comes to males I don't know.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53180565]I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just more and more on the defensive when it comes to males I don't know.[/QUOTE] This is like saying you're more defensive around black people because they commit more crime. It's nothing short of stupid and baseless.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53180443]When statistics of male-on-female violence are so astoundingly high, it's difficult not to be at least a little wary and distrustful by default when you're on the receiving end of that statistic. My trust for men is definitely slipping as I discover this.[/QUOTE] I could make that into a typical /pol/ post if I just reworded it a little bit.[I] But the statistics![/I]

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53180443]When statistics of male-on-female violence are so astoundingly high, it's difficult not to be at least a little wary and distrustful by default when you're on the receiving end of that statistic. My trust for men is definitely slipping as I discover this.[/QUOTE] Statistically I'm more likely to beat the next poster to half death because I'm male. I hope that they look out because statistically, it could happen. You have to factor in more than just some numbers into these types of things. There are tons of sexists out there who will use statistics to argue against women, regardless of any truth or nuance. There is a statistic that can be used against any group of people out there, somewhere.

Coercion of sex by use of power and/or blackmail? Not rape but is near akin to it, in my own opinion. Despicable either way. Maybe my opinion is biased but I still see it as disgusting.

[QUOTE=J!NX;53180633]Statistically I'm more likely to beat the next poster to half death because I'm male. I hope that they look out because statistically, it could happen. You have to factor in more than just some numbers into these types of things. There are tons of sexists out there who will use statistics to argue against women, regardless of any truth or nuance. There is a statistic that can be used against any group of people out there, somewhere.[/QUOTE] I just don't really feel like being assaulted. I didn't want to bring this up because I feel like I do all the time, but being trans really pins a target on your back for being assaulted, the statistics are staggering. And assault by women composes virtually none of that. I wish it wasn't this way but that's the reality

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53181173]I just don't really feel like being assaulted. I didn't want to bring this up because I feel like I do all the time, but being trans really pins a target on your back for being assaulted, the statistics are staggering. And assault by women composes virtually none of that. I wish it wasn't this way but that's the reality[/QUOTE] Therefore blanket fear men?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53181435]Therefore blanket fear men?[/QUOTE] I don't blanket fear men. I just tend to trust them less by default, until I'm convinced they're safe. It's not a conscious decision, it's just a result of what I've been exposed to. I'm sure of you ask a lot of women they'll say the same thing. I picked up on this shit a long time ago and felt unsafe before I knew why.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53181627]I don't blanket fear men. I just tend to trust them less by default, until I'm convinced they're safe. It's not a conscious decision, it's just a result of what I've been exposed to. I'm sure of you ask a lot of women they'll say the same thing. I picked up on this shit a long time ago and felt unsafe before I knew why.[/QUOTE] Alright, that makes sense

Sorry for getting a little hostile but "not all men" logic really pisses me off.

It can be a pretty silly deflection sometimes

[QUOTE=Revenge282;53180587]This is like saying you're more defensive around black people because they commit more crime. It's nothing short of stupid and baseless.[/QUOTE] It's actually completely different but okay