[QUOTE=OvB;53050587]It's a computer program and apparently the button to do the test is close to the button to do the real thing. There's a warning pop up after you click, but the person went ahead with it. This is according to the press conference.[/QUOTE]
Good god, no wonder this happened. How fucking careless to design a program with such a poor interface that all it takes is a misclick / fatfinger to fool your entire state into thinking they're living their last moments in a civilized world.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53050563]Um, no, we could not literally be bombed any day now.
These theatrics with NK have been going on for 2 decades at least, theres nothing new here. Trump is just a lot worse with PR and the media is eating this shit up because theres little else to talk about.
If you honestly think we're at threat of war with NK, go grab your old highschool history text book and give it a read.
[editline]13th January 2018[/editline]
No, they will not. NKs entire government exists on the basis that no one will intervene and stop their brutalities. Them launching a nuke at anyone would be the immediate end to their shenanigans.
NK is not some cornered beast that will lash out if we probe it too much. They just want to be left the fuck alone so they can continue to prosper while their people suffer.[/QUOTE]
For once NK aren't the ones I'm actually worried about.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;53050780]For once NK aren't the ones I'm actually worried about.[/QUOTE]
And who are you worried about exactly?
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53050850]And who are you worried about exactly?[/QUOTE]
The lizard people... :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=OvB;53050438]North Korea will never offensively nuke the United States.[/QUOTE]
never underestimate communist ideologues. When the only way up the higherarchy is to be the best acolyte of the state and dear leader, and saying "hey fuck the USA" is part of that, all you need is the biggest nutjob/true believer in the room to say something that's one step dumber to ratchet up everyone else around him. Which ultimately just compounds as everyone has to out crazy everyone around them to get promoted up the chain.
Even someone as "level headed" as castro professed that he was happy to let cuba be wiped off the face of the earth if it meant the destruction of the US, which is why the missile crisis happened in broad daylight. And NK is order an of magnitude crazier than cuba. It's absolutely not out of the question.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;53050882]never underestimate communist ideologues. When the only way up the higherarchy is to be the best acolyte of the state and dear leader, and saying "hey fuck the USA" is part of that, all you need is the biggest nutjob/true believer in the room to say something that's one step dumber to ratchet up everyone else around him. Which ultimately just compounds as everyone has to out crazy everyone around them to get promoted up the chain.
Even someone as "level headed" as castro professed that he was happy to let cuba be wiped off the face of the earth if it meant the destruction of the US, which is why the missile crisis happened in broad daylight. And NK is order an of magnitude crazier than cuba. It's absolutely not out of the question.[/QUOTE]
NK is not any magnitude crazier than Cuba.
Anyone with any real position of authority in NK knows that the US is an enemy of the regime in name only. The whole point of this regime is so the powerful can profit off the peasants in the most brutal way possible.
Theres no ideology worship of any kind in the higherups of that regime. They just want to sit exactly where they're at and reap the benefits of their broken nation that can't fight back. They know that launching a nuke in any direction would be the end of their joyride. They know that anything more than launching mortars at an uninhabited SK island will be their end. The people at the bottom who actually believe the propaganda aren't allowed anywhere near the buttons for the nukes. KJU has access but he knows better than anyone that launching one will be his end.
This idea that NK is ~crazy~ enough to launch a nuke is the exact thing their propaganda wants you to think. They want you to think that their nation is an incompetent lunatic thats capable of anything. They do that to hide their brutality towards their own people and hinder any efforts to take them out of power.
[editline]14th January 2018[/editline]
The communist ideology died in NK when they became disassociated with the Soviet Union and lost their ability to function without outside support. They're a communist regime in name only.
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At least some good came out of this
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;53050601]I'm really just not comfortable living my life consumed by such morbid fear all the time.
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I mean every time I walk outside I could be struck by lightning or hit by a car but it's a risk I take when I live my life normally.[/QUOTE]
But that's the thing now, people think that ignoring something is the same thing as not giving into fear.
Making a plan for any emergency is not being consumed by fear, it's acknowledging risks and having a rational course of action to deal with them in a sensible way,
if anything it should make you feel less afraid because you now have a set of steps you can follow to try and be safe.
I mean, is wearing a seat belt "living a life consumed by such morbid fear all the time."?
No, it's taking steps to prevent something worse coming out of an accident.
It's not living in fear to be prepared and I really get upset when people think that just ignoring a legitimate problem,
be it war or a natural disaster like a hurricane or earthquake, makes them brave or somehow not consumed by fear, because it's not.
Be prepared, not paranoid.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53050961]NK is not any magnitude crazier than Cuba.
Anyone with any real position of authority in NK knows that the US is an enemy of the regime in name only. The whole point of this regime is so the powerful can profit off the peasants in the most brutal way possible.
Theres no ideology worship of any kind in the higherups of that regime. They just want to sit exactly where they're at and reap the benefits of their broken nation that can't fight back. They know that launching a nuke in any direction would be the end of their joyride. They know that anything more than launching mortars at an uninhabited SK island will be their end. The people at the bottom who actually believe the propaganda aren't allowed anywhere near the buttons for the nukes. KJU has access but he knows better than anyone that launching one will be his end.
This idea that NK is ~crazy~ enough to launch a nuke is the exact thing their propaganda wants you to think. They want you to think that their nation is an incompetent lunatic thats capable of anything. They do that to hide their brutality towards their own people and hinder any efforts to take them out of power.
[editline]14th January 2018[/editline]
The communist ideology died in NK when they became disassociated with the Soviet Union and lost their ability to function without outside support. They're a communist regime in name only.[/QUOTE]
I never thought i'd see the day when someone made the argument that NK isn't communist.
[QUOTE=their fucking 2016 constitution]The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is the socialist motherland of Juche where the ideas and leadership of the great Comrades Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are applied.
The great Comrade Kim Il Sung was the founder of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the father of socialist Korea.
Article 1. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is an independent socialist State representing the interests of all the Korean people.
Article 2. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a revolutionary State which has inherited the brilliant traditions formed during the glorious revolutionary struggle against the imperialist aggressors and in the struggle to achieve the liberation of the homeland and the freedom and well-being of the people.
Article 3. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is guided in its activities by the Juche idea and the Songun idea, a world outlook centred on people, a revolutionary ideology for achieving the independence of the masses of the people.
Article 4. The sovereignty of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea resides in the workers, peasants, soldiers, working intellectuals and all other working people. The working people exercise State power through their representative organs–the Supreme People’s Assembly and local People’s Assemblies at all levels.
Article 5. All State organs in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are formed and function on the principle of democratic centralism.
Article 6. The organs of State power at all levels, from the county People’s Assembly to the Supreme People’s Assembly, are elected on the principle of universal, equal and direct suffrage by secret ballot.
Article 7. Deputies to the organs of State power at all levels have close ties with their constituents and are accountable to them for their work. The electors may recall at any time the deputies they have elected if the latter lose the trust of the former.
Article 8. The social system of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a people-centred system under which the working people are the masters of everything and everything in society serves them. The State shall defend the interests of the workers, peasants, soldiers, working intellectuals and all other working people who have been freed from exploitation and oppression and become the masters of the State and society, and respect and protect human rights.
Article 9. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea shall strive to achieve the complete victory of socialism in the northern half of Korea by strengthening the people’s power and vigorously performing the three revolutions–ideological, technological and cultural–and reunify the country on the principle of independence, peaceful reunification and great national unity.
Article 10. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is underpinned by the politico-ideological unity of all the people based on the worker-peasant alliance led by the working class. The State shall revolutionize all the members of society, and assimilate them to the working class by intensifying the ideological revolution, and shall turn the whole of society into a collective, united in a comradely way.[/QUOTE]
Yup, basically monarchists.
And yeah, the state that has a hereditary god king linage, constantly start shit with other countries (like axe murdering US soldiers on the neutral zone) and are constantly lobbing quasi ICBMs [I]over[/I] japan isn't crazy enough to start shit internationally.
yeah ok.
What if someone got the message, went into hiding or underground or whatever and because they were underground didn't get the false alarm message?
[sp] I kid I kid but for real, that's a scary thought. If they've got a good setup they could be down there for like at least a year before popping up to check on things. Someone check on this in a year![/sp]
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;53051186]What if someone got the message, went into hiding or underground or whatever and because they were underground didn't get the false alarm message?
[sp] I kid I kid but for real, that's a scary thought. If they've got a good setup they could be down there for like at least a year before popping up to check on things. Someone check on this in a year![/sp][/QUOTE]
Worse yet, imagine if people chose to commit suicide to avoid living in the aftermath of a nuclear bomb strike and/or Trump's potential retaliation :frown:
[QUOTE=OvB;53050315]It was not just a phone push:
[media]https://youtu.be/OklwLGrWE4Q[/media]
That would scare the shit out of me.. it's bad enough when it's a tornado warning. Holy shit[/QUOTE]
That gave me chills
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;53051119]I never thought i'd see the day when someone made the argument that NK isn't communist.
Yup, basically monarchists.
And yeah, the state that has a hereditary god king linage, constantly start shit with other countries (like axe murdering US soldiers on the neutral zone) and are constantly lobbing quasi ICBMs [I]over[/I] japan isn't crazy enough to start shit internationally.
yeah ok.[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly think that NK adheres 100% to the communist ideology?
What do you think the point of the god king lineage is? Its to keep people in line so the guys at the top are never questioned.
Indoctrinated and brainwashed infantry at the very bottom of the ladder is not a representation of the people at the top.
Theyre launching those ICBMs over Japan because of the constant inflamation and threats a certain leader is throwing at them. They're letting the world know that they're nuclear capable and not to fuck with them [i]because they want to be left alone.[/i] Theyre never going to launch an attack on another country for all the reasons I've reiterated several times in this thread.
Those videos they put out usinf generic windows movie maker and clips from Call of Duty aren't meant to start shit with other countries or make them look tough. They're meant to put pride in their broken populace and also make themselves a laughing stock on the world stage. By them looking incompetent, it makes efforts to remove the regime that much harder since nobody takes them seriously. Its all completely intentional.
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[editline]13th January 2018[/editline]
apparently a lot of my friends just dont give a heck
You considering them to be a country lead by volatile maniacs is kinda proof their bullshit is working.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;53050409]I don't dislike them for prepping with canned foods and supplies, I dislike them for the immense amount of conspiracy nonsense that often accompanies their lifestyle.
There's no harm in the old Boy Scout motto: "Be prepared!"
While the threat may be <1%, having a plan and being practiced in what to do in case of a thing like this would prevent a lot of distress with people running around with no idea what to do.
Even if it never happens, it's good to have a sensible plan.[/QUOTE]
Relevant: [url=http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/prep/]Doomsday Prepping for Less Crazy People[/url], a guide to prepping that is both practical and sensible, with nary a whiff of conspiratorial nonsense.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;53051186]What if someone got the message, went into hiding or underground or whatever and because they were underground didn't get the false alarm message?
[sp] I kid I kid but for real, that's a scary thought. If they've got a good setup they could be down there for like at least a year before popping up to check on things. Someone check on this in a year![/sp][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124298/[/url]
[QUOTE=OvB;53050438]North Korea will never offensively nuke the United States.[/QUOTE]
I'm more worried about what other nations will do to "protect" North Korea than North Korea itself.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;53051119]I never thought i'd see the day when someone made the argument that NK isn't communist.
Yup, basically monarchists.
And yeah, the state that has a hereditary god king linage, constantly start shit with other countries (like axe murdering US soldiers on the neutral zone) and are constantly lobbing quasi ICBMs [I]over[/I] japan isn't crazy enough to start shit internationally.
yeah ok.[/QUOTE]
He's not wrong. North Korea has been dismantling the personality cult based around Marx, Lenin and Stalin since the late Kim Jong Il era (earlier if Christopher Hitchens is to be believed) and replacing it with a cult based around the Kim family. This was solidified in 2009, where they [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSEO325226"]removed all references to communism[/URL] from the constitution, and added texts protecting the power of the family and the military (tying in with Il's military first policy, probably).
If defectors are to be believed, North Korea's central planning is also overstated and most aspects of the economy run on an internal market. Whether or not this is a black market or a state one, I don't remember being specified. Regardless, according to Reuters, the party and Kim Jong Un [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-change-insight/north-koreas-black-market-becoming-the-new-normal-idUSKCN0SN00320151029"]have done little to stop it[/URL], likely signifying a shift away from the party's view on economic planning.
As for the "haven't been communist since they split with the communist movement" thing that Cyke Lon Bee said, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Congress_of_the_Workers%27_Party_of_Korea"]those are essentially Kim Il Sung's words paraphrased[/URL], not his. North Korea had already been placed on the path of formally abandonding communism in the 80s and explicitly stated a desire to form a more nationalist system, as well as creating the monarchy aspect of Juche by further solidifying power in one man and passing down said power to his son.
So what we have here is a system which has moved away from its communist based personality cult, most likely moved away from Stalinist economics, and has the political functions of an absolute monarchy, passed down from father to son, where the ruling family has great power and luxury. So, like I said, he is not wrong.
Holy fucking shit I can't imagine the terror that must have rolled through the island.
Man I don't even fucking know what I'd do if I thought a missile was headed my way.
Those doomsday prepper guys get a lot of shit on account of the conspiracy weirdos among them, but building and stocking up some kind of neat survival bunker honestly sounds like a pretty fun hobby, if you can afford to do it.
Especially considering your little project comes with the added bonus of knowing you could possibly survive in the event of some apocalyptic disaster.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;53051457]Man I don't even fucking know what I'd do if I thought a missile was headed my way.
Those doomsday prepper guys get a lot of shit on account of the conspiracy weirdos among them, but building and stocking up some kind of neat survival bunker honestly sounds like a pretty fun hobby, if you can afford to do it.
Especially considering your little project comes with the added bonus of knowing you could possibly survive in the event of some apocalyptic disaster.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I'd want to survive a nuclear apocalypse at that point to be honest.
[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;53051667]I don't think I'd want to survive a nuclear apocalypse at that point to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean, I'm an apocalypse realist and a nuclear scholar and honestly I don't think surviving a nuclear apocalypse is worth the investment, monetarily and emotionally and physically. Post-bomb, your local government is going to return to feudal/fascist behavior in order to ensure operation and control of the survivors, and the odds are you're going to be forced into rebuilding work whether you like it or not. THREADS having a bunch of army blokes firing into a throng of breadline protestors was not made up for the programme, it was a legitimate strategy and likely outcome of a post-war world. Most governments intended to round up 'subversives' (IE pacifists, leftists, anti-war protestors, anti-nuclear organization members) prior to an attack in order to ensure the 'smooth running' of a world post-bomb. One has to question what world it is they'd be rebuilding things for.
I'd rather fall to a blastwave than live under a fist.
[QUOTE=Chris Morris;53051671]Yeah, I mean, I'm an apocalypse realist and a nuclear scholar and honestly I don't think surviving a nuclear apocalypse is worth the investment, monetarily and emotionally and physically. Post-bomb, your local government is going to return to feudal/fascist behavior in order to ensure operation and control of the survivors, and the odds are you're going to be forced into rebuilding work whether you like it or not. THREADS having a bunch of army blokes firing into a throng of breadline protestors was not made up for the programme, it was a legitimate strategy and likely outcome of a post-war world. Most governments intended to round up 'subversives' (IE pacifists, leftists, anti-war protestors, anti-nuclear organization members) prior to an attack in order to ensure the 'smooth running' of a world post-bomb. One has to question what world it is they'd be rebuilding things for.
I'd rather fall to a blastwave than live under a fist.[/QUOTE]
Just a reminder that unless you live directly in a major city center, you're much more likely to die to immediate radiation poisoning and what not or the fallout that comes later than the actual blast which is a horrendous way to go. For example, if Albany NY which is the largest city near me was hit with an average Chinese ICBM (according to nuke map), the closest thing that'd happen to me (maybe) is some first degree burns, if that (just outside the edge). You can bet your biscuits however that I'm not gonna escape the fallout from that.
living in the middle of los angeles, ive pretty much accepted my fate if we ever get nuked here
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;53051681]Just a reminder that unless you live directly in a major city center, you're much more likely to die to immediate radiation poisoning and what not or the fallout that comes later than the actual blast which is a horrendous way to go. For example, if Albany NY which is the largest city near me was hit with an average Chinese ICBM (according to nuke map), the closest thing that'd happen to me (maybe) is some first degree burns, if that (just outside the edge). You can bet your biscuits however that I'm not gonna escape the fallout from that.[/QUOTE]
if you have food, water, patience and duct tape you could just stay indoors for ~two weeks until the radiation levels drop significantly
[QUOTE=Megadave;53051304]I'm more worried about what other nations will do to "protect" North Korea than North Korea itself.[/QUOTE]
Who do you think will protect a country with no real allies? Do you think China will launch a nuke so NK wont have to?
What does this post even mean.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;53051786]living in the middle of los angeles, ive pretty much accepted my fate if we ever get nuked here[/QUOTE]
I'd try and placate you with the fact that population centers are typically in the second rollout so you'd have longer than others, but then I remember that LAX is within blast/fallout range of Downtown. I'm sorry, but you'd be snoggered. I live near an airport that has been used for the military in times of war too so I'd be gone with the first wave (hopefully).
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;53051950]if you have food, water, patience and duct tape you could just stay indoors for ~two weeks until the radiation levels drop significantly[/QUOTE]
Duct tape?
[QUOTE=Bertie;53052056]Duct tape?[/QUOTE]
To seal all gaps that could allow fallout into the house. You really don't want to breathe radioactive dust.
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