Youtube CEO says Logan Paul doesn't deserve to be kicked off the website - Sensationalist Headlines

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[QUOTE=Hogie bear;53129227]At least with the mod problem you can actually talk to human beings. How can you not djjkxbox?[/QUOTE] Depends what you class as "talking". I have spoken with certain mods in the past, and just been met with a sarcastic or shitty response, hardly talking to a human being, more talking to a keyboard warrior who feels powerful because he has mod status. I guess it depends who you end up dealing with, but usually if you feel like you've been banned for the wrong reason, you've not got much say in the matter anyway.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129226]You act like Logan Paul posted a video of rape or child porn. He posted a video showing someone who had committed suicide, which don't get me wrong it's very shocking and disrespectful, but it's not something YouTube is going to ban over, not as a first offence at least. More people want him banned because he's just generally an ass, not because he posted the suicide video, and that's why you have rules to ensure people don't ban over sentimentality.[/QUOTE] He's had more than three strikes though, they just call whatever strike the want to off whenever they need to because he's quite literally a cash cow who isn't affected by the rules the way a normal content creator would be. I don't really care about his videos, I didn't watch them, I didn't get in an uproar about it, but if you're going to say "He's just following the rules that youtube lays out" then, sorry, I'm going to have to burst that delusion for a second. It's the rules they set, and change, based on what they need to do to make money. You just don't like the mods here because you think they have it out for you. They don't. They're mods. They don't like me either. [editline]13th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129238]Depends what you class as "talking". I have spoken with certain mods in the past, and just been met with a sarcastic or shitty response, hardly talking to a human being, more talking to a keyboard warrior who feels powerful because he has mod status. I guess it depends who you end up dealing with, but usually if you feel like you've been banned for the wrong reason, you've not got much say in the matter anyway.[/QUOTE] Just a reminder, gold members can see what you say in RC, so when you say that you're basically dealing with a keyboard warrior, it's not very hard to go back, and find out [B]why[/B] someone is treating you like that based on how you initiated the conversation lol

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53129243]He's had more than three strikes though, they just call whatever strike the want to off whenever they need to because he's quite literally a cash cow who isn't affected by the rules the way a normal content creator would be. I don't really care about his videos, I didn't watch them, I didn't get in an uproar about it, but if you're going to say "He's just following the rules that youtube lays out" then, sorry, I'm going to have to burst that delusion for a second. It's the rules they set, and change, based on what they need to do to make money. You just don't like the mods here because you think they have it out for you. They don't. They're mods. They don't like me either.[/QUOTE] What were the three strikes? I know he's done a lot of stupid stuff, but how much actually broke YouTube's written rules?

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129249]What were the three strikes? I know he's done a lot of stupid stuff, but how much actually broke YouTube's rules?[/QUOTE] The suicide video did actually break the TOS and would have earned him a strike. I read about the other things he's done that don't get flagged but they don't jump to mind so i'll look for the articles.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129238]Depends what you class as "talking". I have spoken with certain mods in the past, and just been met with a sarcastic or shitty response, hardly talking to a human being, more talking to a keyboard warrior who feels powerful because he has mod status. I guess it depends who you end up dealing with, but usually if you feel like you've been banned for the wrong reason, you've not got much say in the matter anyway.[/QUOTE] This isn't the place to grind your axe yo

[QUOTE=Craptasket;53129307]This isn't the place to grind your axe yo[/QUOTE] Just responding to a post

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129226]You act like Logan Paul posted a video of rape or child porn. He posted a video showing someone who had committed suicide, which don't get me wrong it's very shocking and disrespectful, but it's not something YouTube is going to ban over, not as a first offence at least. More people want him banned because he's just generally an ass, not because he posted the suicide video, and that's why you have rules to ensure people don't ban over sentimentality.[/QUOTE] Let's play a game of how many guidelines Logan Paul broke in the past eight months [img]https://i.imgur.com/dV26MN0.png[/img] Multiple self-endangering "pranks" and stunts including but not limited to hiding money at a convention and then having people chase him around as security tried to stop it before someone got hurt. [img]https://i.imgur.com/vhpeyHG.png[/img] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYQcU5VXde8]An entire series of vlogs shot in Japan where Logan Paul contributes to several racial stereotypes by mistreating and disrespecting an entire fucking country in a myriad of increasingly stupid and criminal ways.[/url] [img]https://i.imgur.com/xcyPz1E.png[/img] Filming a corpse in a forest (that they weren't allowed to access at all, mind you) and putting it on display for views. It managed to be shocking, sensational [I]and[/I] gratuitous all at once. Bonus round: [img]https://i.imgur.com/50xZ7eW.png[/img] Borderline but Logan Paul sure fucking loves putting gratuitous shots of his bare chest and occasional shots of his bulge in his vlogs mostly watched a by a teenage audience of [url=https://youtu.be/j39XXH-hCYk?t=225]shrieking banshees[/url].

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;53129226]You act like Logan Paul posted a video of rape or child porn. He posted a video showing someone who had committed suicide, which don't get me wrong it's very shocking and disrespectful, but it's not something YouTube is going to ban over, not as a first offence at least. More people want him banned because he's just generally an ass, not because he posted the suicide video, and that's why you have rules to ensure people don't ban over sentimentality.[/QUOTE] Counterpoint: YouTube is a private website that can have whatever rules it likes. They reserve the right to take down any channel for any reason, including a video that could potentially tarnish the reputation of their company. In my opinion, Logan Paul's channel does tarnish the reputation of YouTube, and he does have a long-standing history of TOS violations, so I don't think it's unfair to say that YouTube should take his channel down, especially when YouTube hands out harsher punishments for much less severe violations. Now, why does Logan Paul get special treatment? Could it be because he provides a significant amount of revenue for YouTube? Again, since YouTube is a private site, they can do whatever they like, but that doesn't mean there won't be community backlash when there is clear preferential treatment. And that's really what this boils down to - the community is up in arms because of YouTube's double standards.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53129356]Let's play a game of how many guidelines Logan Paul broke in the past eight months…[/QUOTE] Harmful and dangerous content suggests that you are encouraging people to do something. It's difficult to say what "encouraging" is, since doing the action yourself in a video isn't strictly saying to people to repeat what you just did. It's quite possible that Logan Paul is stupid enough to tell his viewers to copy him, but without going through all his videos I can't tell, so I'd say this is on the borderline of being broken depending on context. If you can find Logan Paul telling or strongly insinuating for people to copy him doing something stupid, then I'd agree with you on him breaking this rule. Hateful content, the whole shit he did in Japan, hasn't he done it in other countries? Isn't he just a douche anywhere, essentially not being hateful to one group? I guess being hateful to everyone is worse, but the way YouTube words it makes it seem like it's more to do with segregating one group of people, whereas Logan Paul is seemingly just an idiot to everyone. Violent and graphic content he obviously broke with the suicide video, no debate on that. Nudity you didn't really say he broke. Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but I'm just trying to see it from an impartial viewpoint. [editline]13th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;53129381]Counterpoint: YouTube is a private website that can have whatever rules it likes. They reserve the right to take down any channel for any reason, including a video that could potentially tarnish the reputation of their company. In my opinion, Logan Paul's channel does tarnish the reputation of YouTube, and he does have a long-standing history of TOS violations, so I don't think it's unfair to say that YouTube should take his channel down, especially when YouTube hands out harsher punishments for much less severe violations. Now, why does Logan Paul get special treatment? Could it be because he provides a significant amount of revenue for YouTube? Again, since YouTube is a private site, they can do whatever they like, but that doesn't mean there won't be community backlash when there is clear preferential treatment. And that's really what this boils down to - the community is up in arms because of YouTube's double standards.[/QUOTE] I think YouTube would be tarnished more by choosing to take down channels for whatever they like, whenever they like, rather than having a strict three-strike rule based on written rules. So in that respect, they can't really have whatever rules they like, unless they want to get a negative response back.

I didn't even mention the parts where Logan (and Jake) Paul both exploit impressionable children by repeatedly telling them to buy their merch. Seeing Logan Paul simultaneously demand that his teen audience buy his shitty merch and saying "call me daddy" is, to say the least, a wee bit fucking weird. You can pretend to be as "impartial" as you want, if you don't see the problem with Logan Paul's behavior in the past year you're blind to the situation altogether.

I do see the problem with his behavior, I'm just trying to see where it breaks the rules in order for YouTube to take down his channel.

So the current limit is 2 YouTube videos with dead bodies... on the 3rd one you get banned.

Let this person lose his subscribers (mysteriously and "accidentally), then make it so that his videos start being deleted. After he lost everything in his Youtube account, then kick him off of Youtube (or just kick him out immediately).

Logan Paul makes a fuck ton of money for youtube that's why.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;53128387]Logan Paul definitely has serious issues, but I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms about getting him kicked off of YouTube. As distasteful as his videos get, how much are you guys really personally affected by them?[/QUOTE] The issue i have isn't that, it's the fact that their rules are fucking arbitrary. And though they're happy to crack down and hamifistedly demonetize or ban anyone from cartoon reviewers, animation channels, auto racing channels, university professors giving lectures, anything and everything to do with politics or news and anything in between. Those hamfisted, bizzare and nebulous "rules" that are liberally enforced against most people fly over the head of a select few who are oh so conveniently unaffected. For an example, while individuals talking about news are nearly universally demonetized, the official CNN channel or what have you will happily run ads all day long on topics which channels run by private individuals are demonetized on, even after a manual review, which cites "controversial topics" as the smoking gun. It's clear that they're playing favorites, and are only arbitrarily enforcing nebulous, ill defined and functionally infinitely reaching "rules" in an incompetent and ham fisted way, leading to an infinite array of unjust declarations of "unsuitable for advertisers", while also quite clearly playing backroom favorites while pretending everything is fine and none of it is happening. That's the real issue here. If the rules were actually A) clearly defined and B) universally and justly enforced, we could at least accept it as reasonable and debate on what exactly the rules should be. But they're not, and youtube quite clearly just doesn't give a fuck about it's own fundamental sustainable well being. The center cannot hold here, and they don't care to fix it because it suits them in the short term. Frankly as long as it's not illegal or overtly exploitative (like the CS go gambling debacle) i don't think anyone should be thrown off of any platform in a situation like this. Let people naturally abandon him for being a scumbag, the fact that everyone got their dicks in a knot over him is exactly why you do something like this. And in the game of diminishing returns that youtube money is right now, presuming this is intentional, he just gamed everyone by causing a gigantic shitstorm, and that's why this kind of proselytizing morale outrage is inferior to the basic market response of people simply going "wow fuck that guy" and ceasing to watch his shit. Because for him, no public response at all would've been worst case scenario. And here we are talking about him, and youtube protecting him because his gambit paid off. He played the public and won, and would not have if nobody gave a fuck about him. And really, this entire shitstorm is a symptom of Youtube's faililng and corrupt leadership anyway. Fix that and shit like this will stop happening.

I don't really care whether they remove Logan's channel or not. I just want them to treat smaller channels better.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53129356]Let's play a game of how many guidelines Logan Paul broke in the past eight months [/QUOTE] Its almost as if the department at youtube that handles complaints and strikes get to interpret "THEIR" rules how they want. How dare they not listen to the community when we say he totally broke the rules and should of been banned. The suicide video wasn't shocking, sensational, or gratuitous to me but it was to someone and even if it wasn't saying it was should be enough to get him banned!!!11!!! /s [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;53129561] It's clear that they're playing favorites, and are only arbitrarily enforcing nebulous, ill defined and functionally infinitely reaching "rules" in an incompetent and ham fisted way That's the real issue here. If the rules were actually A) clearly defined and B) universally and justly enforced [/QUOTE] Its almost as if youtube is a private company that is free to not only interpret their rules how they want but selectively enforce them upon who they want. Good thing we all know youtube is some non profit charity thats supposed to be doing everything fairly and consistently.

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;53129699]Its almost as if the department at youtube that handles complaints and strikes get to interpret "THEIR" rules how they want. How dare they not listen to the community when we say he totally broke the rules and should of been banned. The suicide video wasn't shocking, sensational, or gratuitous to me but it was to someone and even if it wasn't saying it was should be enough to get him banned!!!11!!! /s Its almost as if youtube is a private company that is free to not only interpret their rules how they want but selectively enforce them upon who they want. Good thing we all know youtube is some non profit charity thats supposed to be doing everything fairly and consistently.[/QUOTE] it's almost like they're a private company with publicly traded stock value that exists in a world with free speech where people freely express themselves as you are here and now people are upset, companies who care about their public relations(PR) typically respond to things like this, and when they do respond poorly, they usually get lambasted for it. That's not abnormal or wrong, and it's part of what you yourself are partaking in now. I'm never really sure what comments like this are trying to express "Stop having opinions on a forum designed for people to share things on" I guess

Guys, lets make one thing clear. Youtube doesn't outright ban him because he rakes them the money. [b]If any other youtuber with much lower income than him were to do even half of what he does on a daily basis, they would have been banned a long time ago without so much as a peep.[/b]

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;53129699]Its almost as if the department at youtube that handles complaints and strikes get to interpret "THEIR" rules how they want. How dare they not listen to the community when we say he totally broke the rules and should of been banned. The suicide video wasn't shocking, sensational, or gratuitous to me but it was to someone and even if it wasn't saying it was should be enough to get him banned!!!11!!! /s Its almost as if youtube is a private company that is free to not only interpret their rules how they want but selectively enforce them upon who they want. Good thing we all know youtube is some non profit charity thats supposed to be doing everything fairly and consistently.[/QUOTE] I don't think it was ever questioned that Youtube has a right to interpret their own community guidelines seeing as they are in fact just guidelines. I know it's a private company. Everyone knows it's a private company. But the point is that Youtube keeping Logan (and Jake) Paul around isn't out of concern for freedom of speech like they claim but out of concern for keeping one of their biggest money printers around. The bending of rules and inconsistency with their far more trigger happy behavior regarding smaller non-lucrative channels shows that just well enough. Keep in mind that as awful as Logan and Jake Paul's behaviors are, their main viewerbase doesn't give a fuck because they are teenagers and specifically gravitate towards their channels [I]because[/I] they're stupid shits who constantly break rules (and laws). As long as the main viewerbase is a desirable crowd (read: teens who like to use mom and dad's credit cards) and they're happy with the content Youtube won't do shit because that means they'll stick around and boy is the viewerbase of these two clowns complacent with some of the most manipulative trash on the internet.

Pewdiepie isn't YT's star player anymore, Logan Paul is. He makes them money, so he gets special treatment. Once Logan finally fucks up enough, which given his track record so far, might not be that far away, they'll find someone else. They always do, once YT became a corporate owned asset of Google, it was all over.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;53129981]Guys, lets make one thing clear. Youtube doesn't outright ban him because he rakes them the money. [b]If any other youtuber with much lower income than him were to do even half of what he does on a daily basis, they would have been banned a long time ago without so much as a peep.[/b][/QUOTE] What does he do on a daily basis that would get you straight up banned though? There's no shortage of animal abuse and dead bodies on YouTube. I think you're exaggerating a bit here.

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;53129699] Its almost as if youtube is a private company that is free to not only interpret their rules how they want but selectively enforce them upon who they want. Good thing we all know youtube is some non profit charity thats supposed to be doing everything fairly and consistently.[/QUOTE] Are they free to do so? Yeah, the dipshit inquisition isn't standing over their collective shoulders with a hot iron saying "don't fuck up boyo". They can do as they please. But that doesn't mean that it's the [I]correct, pragmatic, intelligent, sensible or even morally right thing[/I] to do. Even if we're arguing for youtube's own machiavellian interests, the shit they're doing is literally the worst possible course of action i could possibly imagine taking. Their draw is people creating shit that other people want to watch. And if nobody but scumbags like logan paul or the fine brothers, lowest common denominator shit like pewdiepie and giant coorporations can afford to do anything, and no new crowd of content generators step up to replace the dying old guard because they know it's an unjust and rigged game, it's simply a death spiral of diminishing returns. To say their shooting themselves in the foot is beyond generous. What they're doing is actively antagonizing everyone, particularly the very people who make the stuff that draws people to the website, and is just generally a pernicious one way ticket to destroying youtube. And that's even before we get to the basic morale argument of [I]universal goddamn principals[/I]. Where you have one set of principals that apply to everyone so you have a just and reasonable system that nobody hates and wants to tear down for being shit or abandon for being an unreasonable game stacked against them for no obvious reason.

[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53130311]What does he do on a daily basis that would get you straight up banned though? There's no shortage of animal abuse and dead bodies on YouTube. I think you're exaggerating a bit here.[/QUOTE] Oh please. Take a pick. Theres people getting their videos flagged for no fucking reason whatsoever and having their channels deleted, I'm sure I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. We are talking about the same guy that joked about a suicide victim right? How people aren't hanging Paul for that alone is ludicrous.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;53128164]I dunno. I think posting videos of suicide victims or of dead rats getting tased is objectively tasteless.[/QUOTE] Not objectively, because no matter what, it's someone's fetish. But YouTube isn't a fetish site, so get this big-nosed motherfucker outta my face with his dead things bullshit.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;53130866]Oh please. Take a pick. Theres people getting their videos flagged for no fucking reason whatsoever and having their channels deleted, I'm sure I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. We are talking about the same guy that joked about a suicide victim right? How people aren't hanging Paul for that alone is ludicrous.[/QUOTE] I'd like some actual examples though. Like, joking about suicide is clearly not something only he does. You'll find anyone from comedians to random streamers doing that, and I don't recall that being a reason for taking down a channel. Comedy is sometimes offensive. Maybe Logan sucks at it, but that doesn't really change anything. I see stuff like Cody's lab being affected because he deals with dangerous chemicals and explosives, but that's hardly comparable. It's a whole different can of worms. Idk, I feel that the general hatred for the guy blurs your vision a bit. He's not really done anything unheard of on YouTube, he seems to be walking pretty close to the edge though, and i certainly don't condone his behavior.

[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53131073]I'd like some actual examples though. Like, joking about suicide is clearly not something only he does. You'll find anyone from comedians to random streamers doing that, and I don't recall that being a reason for taking down a channel. Comedy is sometimes offensive. Maybe Logan sucks at it, but that doesn't really change anything. I see stuff like Cody's lab being affected because he deals with dangerous chemicals and explosives, but that's hardly comparable. It's a whole different can of worms. Idk, I feel that the general hatred for the guy blurs your vision a bit. He's not really done anything unheard of on YouTube, he seems to be walking pretty close to the edge though, and i certainly don't condone his behavior.[/QUOTE] Again, DEAD BODY on camera, proceeded by jokes. Of a suicide victim no less. And that isn't counting all the other crap in Japan.

[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;53131073]He's not really done anything unheard of on YouTube, he seems to be walking pretty close to the edge though, and i certainly don't condone his behavior.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;53135359]And that isn't counting all the other crap in Japan.[/QUOTE] Logan Paul certainly isn't the only YouTuber to have pissed about in Japan. The main unique thing Logan Paul did was the suicide video. The rest has been done by other YouTubers, I'm pretty sure

Other youtubers may also be making fun of dead bodies and may also be racist as fuck, but no only is that not enough to make it okay, they're also far less exposed than Logan Paul who's in the top sphere of popular channels right now, one of the most popular vlog channels, [I]and[/I] in that microcosm is the only one to pull this sort of shit alongside his brother.