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[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172832]The reason this is funny is because they're old white pastors, which suggests they're depicting the opposite, young black criminals They wanted to have a hiphop cover and they went straight to gang signs&guns.[/QUOTE] That's an interesting interpretation. Do you have any evidence that that's indeed what their intended message was?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172832]The reason this is funny is because they're old white pastors, which suggests they're depicting the opposite, young black criminals They wanted to have a hiphop cover and they went straight to gang signs&guns.[/QUOTE] Only black criminals can do gang signs and have guns now?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172832]The reason this is funny is because they're old white pastors, which suggests they're depicting the opposite, young black criminals They wanted to have a hiphop cover and they went straight to gang signs&guns.[/QUOTE] You raise a solid point, but I'll bite. I don't think it takes much of a reach of the imagination to go to guns and signs when it comes to an uninformed and stereotypical impression of hip-hop. And I doubt they were really looking too much into the racial aspect of it, more just that a lot of hip-hop (particularly from the lens of that uninformed view I mentioned) isn't particularly obsessed with typical white-american Christian virtue.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52172861]You raise a solid point, but I'll bite. I don't think it takes much of a reach of the imagination to go to guns and signs when it comes to an uninformed and stereotypical impression of hip-hop.[/QUOTE] It's easy to make the jump because it's associated with black people who are associated with crime and gangs. But the vast majority of hiphop album covers don't have guns and junk on it so you can't even call this parody [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52172854]Only black criminals can do gang signs and have guns now?[/QUOTE] I'd like to have an interesting discussion about why people might be offended by this and I know you're smart but if you're gonna act obtuse I'm gonna treat you like you're dumb [QUOTE=geel9;52172842]That's an interesting interpretation. Do you have any evidence that that's indeed what their intended message was?[/QUOTE] They made this because it's funny. It's funny because it contrasts old white pastors with young black criminals. Associating being black with crime is racist.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172867]It's easy to make the jump because it's associated with black people who are associated with crime and gangs. But the vast majority of hiphop album covers don't have guns and junk on it so you can't even call this parody[/QUOTE] How familiar do you think these guys are with hip-hop discography? I bet you they haven't seen an album cover for more than 3 records and I'm being generous.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52172870]How familiar do you think these guys are with hip-hop discography? I bet you they haven't seen an album cover for more than 3 records and I'm being generous.[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter? I said that because if there was an album cover that looked just like this but they did their own version of it that would be funny because it was just a parody. But I can't even type "rap album cover guns" into Google and find something this stereotypical.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172887]That doesn't matter? I said that because if there was an album cover that looked just like this but they did their own version of it that would be funny because it was just a parody. But I can't even type "rap album cover guns" into Google and find something this stereotypical.[/QUOTE] My point is that it is stereotypical, but not particularly harmful because it appears relatively race-neutral and non-inflammatory. Goofy and out-of-touch? Definitely. But racist seems a bit of a stretch.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172867] They made this because it's funny. It's funny because it contrasts old white pastors with young black criminals. Associating being black with crime is racist.[/QUOTE] You're the only one associating black people with crime here.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52172916]My point is that it is stereotypical, but not particularly harmful because it appears relatively race-neutral and non-inflammatory. Goofy and out-of-touch? Definitely. But racist seems a bit of a stretch.[/QUOTE] Hip hop has never been race neutral, from an inside perspective or an outside one. The guns and association with gangs is inflammatory. [QUOTE=geel9;52172922]You're the only one associating black people with crime here.[/QUOTE] Purposely ignoring the fact that hiphop is entirely associated with black people makes you look less intelligent

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172937] Purposely ignoring the fact that hiphop is entirely associated with black people makes you look less intelligent[/QUOTE] This isn't even a response to what I said? [editline]1st May 2017[/editline] Are you saying that hip hop is criminal or something?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172937]Hip hop has never been race neutral, from an inside perspective or an outside one. The guns and association with gangs is inflammatory. Purposely ignoring the fact that hiphop is entirely associated with black people makes you look less intelligent[/QUOTE] Maybe this is just due to my biased perspective but I haven't really consciously or unconsciously associated hip-hop with black people for... my entire life I think. I wouldn't be surprised if that's because Em has been the biggest rapper on earth for pretty much the entirety of my cognizant life, he's just as emblematic of that brand of hip-hop and it's culture as anyone else. As someone who listens to a lot of it it's just music that black people happen to make more of than white people. I put no negative stigma around it, but maybe I'm the exception and not the rule.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52172957]Maybe this is just due to my biased perspective but I haven't really consciously or unconsciously associated hip-hop with black people for... my entire life I think. I wouldn't be surprised if that's because Em has been the biggest rapper on earth for pretty much the entirety of my cognizant life, he's just as emblematic of that brand of hip-hop and it's culture as anyone else. As someone who listens to a lot of it it's just music that black people happen to make more of than white people. I put no negative stigma around it, but maybe I'm the exception and not the rule.[/QUOTE] Ok but I assume you go out and talk to other people and consume media and know that most people associate hiphop with black people.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52172867] They made this because it's funny. It's funny because it contrasts old white pastors with young black criminals. Associating being black with crime is racist.[/QUOTE] What are you even saying? You're seeing this and thinking it's shitting on the entirety of hip-hop? It's parodying the typical gangsta rap stuff which is why they're wearing bandanas, gold chains, and doing the pose. You know thats an actual thing that exists right? They don't have a sign up in the background saying "THIS IS ALL BLACK PEOPLE!" Hiphop and rap are not family inclusive and to a large extent, race inclusive. It's historically been made by black people, singing about black troubles. You've got outliers like Eminem but he grew up in a black area, surrounded by black people, and other black people still gave him beef for being a rap artist despite living through the same woes they did. That's the joke. Embarassing? Yeah. Misguided? Probably. Deliberately racist? Likely not.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173005]Ok but I assume you go out and talk to other people and consume media and know that most people associate hiphop with black people.[/QUOTE] Most of the people I talk to and associate with dont really associate hip-hop with black people, or at least they dont vocalize that association (and who would?). This isn't really something that comes up all too often for me, at least living on a college campus where most people are in their early-mid twenties and have grown up with hip-hop and don't have firm objections to it, its culture, and dont racially charge the entire genre. I could see it as plausible that the majority of the white-american population, particularly older folks, associate hip-hop in an unfavorable fashion with black people, but I don't have figures to support or refute that on hand.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173005]Ok but I assume you go out and talk to other people and consume media and know that most people associate hiphop with black people.[/QUOTE] Is this going to be one of those really out of touch anecdotal "all my budz think this tho" thing? You can only really prove this anecdotally, so unless you find some kind of graph with a source or some shit, this is all a load of non-sense tbh, because at the end of the day, Jazz isn't an all black community, neither is hip-hop, or rap, or anything. It doesn't matter what people think of it. All music is multi-cultural. Unless of course we are talking sub-forest African tribal beats I think everyone knows that hip hop isn't some all-black-only thing.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173005]Ok but I assume you go out and talk to other people and consume media and know that most people associate hiphop with black people.[/QUOTE] Can you explain your jump from, "Their pose and dress is associated with black people in the hip-hop culture," and "It's racist?" Going back to my other comparison. Would you have a problem with a group of black people posing in lederhosen? I know I wouldn't.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52173021]What are you even saying? You're seeing this and thinking it's shitting on the entirety of hip-hop? It's parodying the typical gangsta rap stuff which is why they're wearing bandanas, gold chains, and doing the pose. You know thats an actual thing that exists right? They don't have a sign up in the background saying "THIS IS ALL BLACK PEOPLE!" Hiphop and rap are not family inclusive and to a large extent, race inclusive. It's historically been made by black people, singing about black troubles. You've got outliers like Eminem but he grew up in a black area, surrounded by black people, and other black people still gave him beef for being a rap artist despite living through the same woes they did. That's the joke. Embarassing? Yeah. Misguided? Probably. Deliberately racist? Likely not.[/QUOTE] You don't think that them thinking "let's make a hiphop picture" and depicting criminals perpetuates stereotypes? Compare these pictures [Img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-SZv0GXcAA0qs0.jpg[/img] [Img]https://www.phactual.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/a12.jpg[/Img] That's NWA, one of the biggest gangsta rap groups of all time. You see the difference? [QUOTE=sgman91;52173053]Can you explain your jump from, "Their pose and dress is associated with black people in the hip-hop culture," and "It's racist?"[/QUOTE] Because they're depicting themselves as criminals as well? The picture would have been just as effective if they left that out, but I guess they felt the need to have it in because......

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173088]You don't think that them thinking "let's make a hiphop picture" and depicting criminals perpetuates stereotypes? That's NWA, one of the biggest gangsta rap groups of all time. You see the difference?[/QUOTE] Perpetuating negative stereotypes of criminality is a grievance that I find more agreeable.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52173102]Perpetuating negative stereotypes of criminality is a grievance that I find more agreeable.[/QUOTE] Perpetuating racial stereotypes is racist dude Especially negative criminal ones about black people??? Did you read this before you posted it?

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173088]Because they're depicting themselves as criminals as well? The picture would have been just as effective if they left that out, but I guess they felt the need to have it in because......[/QUOTE] what is the part of them depicting criminals? the dude holding a gun?

Anyone who actually thinks that image is racist, basically acknowledges that hip hop/gangsta culture can only be portrayed "correctly" by black people. Which is hilariously racist in itself.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173088]Because they're depicting themselves as criminals as well? The picture would have been just as effective if they left that out, but I guess they felt the need to have it in because......[/QUOTE] How are they criminals? Because of the gun? It's no secret that guns play a big role in gangta rap.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52173118]Anyone who actually thinks that image is racist, basically acknowledges that hip hop/gangsta culture can only be portrayed "correctly" by black people. Which is hilariously racist in itself.[/QUOTE] That's not why it's racist but nice try. Even if it were old black pastors depicting young black hiphop artists as criminals it would still be perpetuating racial stereotypes. Which is why you wouldn't see that to begin with. [QUOTE=sgman91;52173126]How are they criminals? Because of the gun? It's no secret that guns play a big role in gangta rap.[/QUOTE] But they're not trying to depict that genre of hiphop. They created a picture for someone that raps during sermons, and something tells me he doesn't rap about guns. They're just depicting hiphop in general with a stereotypical depiction of young black hiphop artists that makes them look like criminals, which perpetuates the stereotype that young black men are thugs with guns.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173136]That's not why it's racist but nice try. Even if it were old black pastors depicting young black hiphop artists as criminals it would still be perpetuating racial stereotypes. Which is why you wouldn't see that to begin with.[/QUOTE] I don't get your point. Urban, gangsta rap culture is a real thing that exists. It's not some nebulous stereotype. The picture isn't saying, "All black people are like this." It's playing off a real culture that actually exists. It would be like dressing up like red necks.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173109]Perpetuating racial stereotypes is racist dude Especially negative criminal ones about black people??? Did you read this before you posted it?[/QUOTE] I mean that I agree with you that it's bad, like I agree with your grievances.

People in this thread: "Yeah, I wore a Sombrero talking about drinko-de-mayo, but its racist for you to assume I was being representing a Hispanic person. I just did it because I think its funny, im not denigrating Hispanic people at all"

[QUOTE=sgman91;52173139]I don't get your point. Urban, gangsta rap culture is a real thing that exists. It's not some nebulous stereotype. The picture isn't saying, "All black people are like this." It's playing off a real culture that actually exists. It would be like dressing up like red necks.[/QUOTE] They did a general depiction of hiphop and this is what they came up with. If someone was asked to depict a Mexican person and the depiction they come up with is a cartel member that's perpetuating a negative stereotype and racist

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173169]They did a general depiction of hiphop and this is what they came up with. If someone was asked to depict a Mexican person and the depiction they come up with is a criminal that's racist.[/QUOTE] 1) How can you possibly know this is a general depiction of "hip-hop" and not specifically hardcore gangsta rap? Even with that said, are you honestly denying that criminal behavior (drug use, guns, gang activity, etc.) isn't fairly typical within hip-hop culture, especially hard core hop-hop culture? 2) Why are you equating "hip-hop" with "black person." Are you saying that they would have dressed exactly like this if they were asked to dress like a "black person?" If so, please provide evidence of it.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;52173169]They did a general depiction of hiphop and this is what they came up with. If someone was asked to depict a Mexican person and the depiction they come up with is a criminal that's racist.[/QUOTE] I think you are the one assuming that the old guys are saying all black people who dress like this are are criminals. People do actually dress like that and hold guns like that without being criminals. It's called your average hip-hop cover on an album. I really have no idea why you arguing this point when the majority of the outrage over this image is people mad over social media that white guys appropriated black culture.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52173157]People in this thread: "Yeah, I wore a Sombrero talking about drinko-de-mayo, but its racist for you to assume I was being representing a Hispanic person. I just did it because I think its funny, im not denigrating Hispanic people at all"[/QUOTE] It all depends on how unmarriable you think hip-hop is from black american culture.