Merry Christmas! FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December

[Froztshock]

[QUOTE=zerglingv2;52899405]I'll believe that when I see it.[/QUOTE]

You've seen it in our previous president not appointing an ex lobbyist scumbag to the exact organization that's supposed to prevent this shit. Tell me, do you think that Trump is an idiot for not realizing pai would do what he's doing, or is he a scumbag piece of human garbage who has sold the American internet to the corporations? It's really only one or the other, as only stupidity and malice fit the bill.

You can try to push your Propaganda bullshit all you want if it makes you feel better about your shitty self destructive political opinions but the fact of the matter is that we're significantly worse off in this respect under the current administration than the last one.

[SIRIUS]

[QUOTE=Mud;52909213]why bother fighting if we've already lost[/QUOTE]

People like you are the reason corporate interests have any weight, coward

[Pascall]

[QUOTE=SuperDany;52895688]Hey, I just wanted to inform everyone of a pretty easy way to contact your representatives. Someone wrote a bot, at the number '50409'. If you text it with the word "resist," it'll ask you for your name and your address. from there you'll be able to write a message to your representatives. I really advise everyone who cares about this issue to take 5 minutes and send a message. Anything helps. This bot essentially just faxes your message to your representatives.

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Edit:
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This is really cool and helpful! I definitely recommend it for everyone.

[Gramophone]

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52912236]People like you are the reason corporate interests have any weight, coward[/QUOTE]

No, people who elected Republicans are the reason corporate interests are all that matters.

[SIRIUS]

[QUOTE=Gramophone;52912999]No, people who elected Republicans are the reason corporate interests are all that matters.[/QUOTE]

And people who don't protest, write letters or even sign petitions, but still bitch about it online

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=zerglingv2;52899405]I'll believe that when I see it.[/QUOTE]

Every nay vote against Ajit Pai's confirmation came from Democrats. In the vote for net neutrality in the Senate, [B]every [/B]Democrat voted for it and [B]every [/B]Republican voted against it. Everyone with eyes can see it.

[Laika]

[QUOTE=daigennki;52911471]What makes you think you already lost when the fight has not even ended yet?

There is not much that I can do about this directly unfortunately, being a Japanese citizen, but this has the potential to spread worldwide if it passes. It needs to stop, and you American friends must not stop the fight.[/QUOTE]

just dont see the point in bothering anymore when this retarded country put a shithead orange in charge and every way you look its basically falling apart and undoing progress

[TheMrFailz]

MotherBoard seems convinced the only way to stop them is to make our own internet.

[url]https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7x4y8a/net-neutrality-fcc-community-networks[/url]

[AnnieOakley]

[QUOTE=Furnost;52913051]just dont see the point in bothering anymore when this retarded country put a shithead orange in charge and every way you look its basically falling apart and undoing progress[/QUOTE]

Remember, he lost the popular vote. Further harm can be prevented by reworking the systems that put him into place. We can throw away the choke hold of our past by learning from it and working to change our future. We can only be brave when we're afraid, and fear is alright to have so long as it doesn't consume you. Work beyond the fear of losing everything, and work towards creating a new era. It's going to be some hard years, but I know that we'll see a great era by making one for us alongside all who come after. Time is always moving, and we can always use our time wisely or mourn our past mistakes into shame. I prefer to move forward and build something better as I know all too well of grief and shame for my troubles.

[TheTalon]

[QUOTE=da space core;52894760]What? How so?[/QUOTE]

I'm agreeing with it. The argument outlined in the Tumblr post is exactly why he was elected. Because everyone saw Clinton had a 98% chance to win and thought meh, I don't need to vote. Probably could have worded it better

[Xanadu]

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52913191]I'm agreeing with it. The argument outlined in the Tumblr post is exactly why he was elected. Because everyone saw Clinton had a 98% chance to win and thought meh, I don't need to vote. Probably could have worded it better[/QUOTE]

I try to stay out of political discussions but I definitely feel like it's more of a left issue, the right has a more effective culture of making a point to go out and vote. Off of personal experience only, but I don't know anybody left-leaning personally who actually votes, but always has words of wisdom regarding issues that could be altered by voting. I'm left-leaning, I make sure to vote. This past election, the town next to mine kept its republican majority, shy of [i]two votes[/i] from losing. Every vote does count.

[Speedhax]

Republicans defending this usually have no clue how telecoms work. Laying cable is expensive because the ISP'S layed copper wire, and now have to deal with replacing with fiber. You can't just lay cable anywhere you want. You need to get a locate request before you dig so you don't hit any other lines.

[Bahamut88]

I signed some petitions, dunno if it'll help but it beats sitting on our hands about it.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Speedhax;52913296]Republicans defending this usually have no clue how telecoms work. Laying cable is expensive because the ISP'S layed copper wire, and now have to deal with replacing with fiber. You can't just lay cable anywhere you want. You need to get a locate request before you dig so you don't hit any other lines.[/QUOTE]
There's also some insane legal problems too, which google has bitched and published a lot about.

It's why they love Kansas so much, even. Because they lessened those restrictions and made it feasible to actually move in.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52913024]And people who don't protest, write letters or even sign petitions, but still bitch about it online[/QUOTE]

Just due to the nature of the FCC and appointed positions, I don't think it's gonna matter much here.

But people who think protest, contact with their representatives, etc. don't matter need to look at the NRA. That's basically how they're so powerful despite not really directly pumping much money/lobbyists to politicians. They flood town halls, phone lines, etc. with normal people and give politicians the illusion that their proposed policies are way more unpopular than they actually are.

[LoneWolf_Recon]

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;52907024]I assume you're talking about Marsha Blackburn? She's taken a lot more donations than just that. She's completely in the pockets of the corporations. She's even trying to keep towns like mine from sharing their high speed internet with nearby rural areas.

The worst part is, she'll probably never be ousted, because she's levying her anti-abortion stance to guarantee her the white evangelical vote. She'll probably slide right into Bob Corker's seat like nothing thanks to all the bible-thumpers.[/QUOTE]

Most of TN's reps are on the side of the Telecom companies against Title II.

Hell I emailed Lamarr Alexander's office on why he should smite down this reversal because of legitimate oligopoly, anti-consumer, economy degrading and culturally bad reasons if Title II was repealed (With sources). And this was his response:

[QUOTE]
[...]

Thanks for getting in touch with me and letting me know what’s on your mind regarding the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC) 2015 Open Internet Order, also known as “net neutrality” rules.

There is an ongoing debate about whether additional action is needed to ensure unfettered access to the Internet. Broadband investment and access to the Internet are critical to continuing innovation and to maintaining our nation’s competitive edge.

On February 26, 2015, the FCC voted to approve its Open Internet Order. The vote was 3-2, with the two Republican Commissioners opposing the proposal. I am very concerned about these “net neutrality” rules and believe the FCC should focus instead on expanding access to broadband and other Internet technology innovations to spur economic growth.

The Internet is a valuable resource for our economy and we must be mindful of both intended and unintended consequences when the Federal government proposes regulations. A truly open and free Internet will continue to attract investment to connect more Americans to the Internet and help maintain our nation’s competitive advantage. I look forward to working with new FCC Chairman Ajit Pai on ways to expand Internet access and ensure strong, free-market competition.

I’m grateful that you took the time to get in touch with me. Your comments are important to me and I’ll be sure to keep them in mind as this issue is discussed and debated in Washington and Tennessee.
Sincerely,
Lamar

LA/wp[/QUOTE]

Literal doublespeak. :hammered:

Still though, besides this I urge everyone to try and contact their representatives.

[Snowmew]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52913314]Just due to the nature of the FCC and appointed positions, I don't think it's gonna matter much here.

But people who think protest, contact with their representatives, etc. don't matter need to look at the NRA. That's basically how they're so powerful despite not really directly pumping much money/lobbyists to politicians. They flood town halls, phone lines, etc. with normal people and give politicians the illusion that their proposed policies are way more unpopular than they actually are.[/QUOTE]

To be fair the NRA's track record is not that great.

Also there is definitely precedent for an injunction based on evidence that the vast, vast majority of people support net neutrality and the FCC went completely against that majority for no reason. But again, you need to actually [i]prove[/i] that, and if people don't speak up, there's no way to prove it.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52913357][quote]The Internet is a valuable resource for our economy and we must be mindful of both intended and unintended consequences when the Federal government proposes regulations. A truly open and free Internet will continue to attract investment to connect more Americans to the Internet and help maintain our nation’s competitive advantage. I look forward to working with new FCC Chairman Ajit Pai on ways to expand Internet access and ensure strong, free-market competition.
[/quote][/QUOTE]

What a fucking shitsock. Attract investment and expand access, my ass. AT&T had to be essentially forced to serve rural customers by the government in the Bell era.

[Flak]

[quote] A truly open and free Internet will continue to attract investment to connect more Americans to the Internet and help maintain our nation’s competitive advantage.[/quote]

A truly open and free Internet doesn't involve throttling connections.

[Mud]

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52912236]People like you are the reason corporate interests have any weight, coward[/QUOTE]

call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.

[SIRIUS]

Or you can protest like a non door mat

[Snowmew]

[QUOTE=Mud;52914140]call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.[/QUOTE]

This is an [i]incredibly[/i] bad and stupid opinion.

I mean I'm not going to go into the details but there are some big lawsuits being prepared right now over this under the Administrative Procedure Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2341(1), and 47 U.S.C. § 402(a).

There are two things that the FCC is doing. First, they are repealing the net neutrality rules, which requires a standard that is not "arbitrary or capricious". As in, they can't have just no explanation at all. This is the lowest bar possible, and will not be difficult for them to pass [i]unless it is made abundantly clear that [b]nobody[/b] is in favor of this change except them[/i]. Unfortunately they could just say "we are corporate cocksuckers" and there is little you can do since corporations are people too :hammered:

They are also adding new rules which will preempt state governments from being able to enact their own net neutrality rules. This is where the buzz is - the GOP is getting very slightly ass hurt over the idea of the federal government telling states what they can't do. States are sovereigns in the GOP mindset (at least in theory - there is, of course, a considerable argument that the GOP doesn't give a fuck and is just a bunch of corporate cocksuckers). But this requires a stricter standard - that of reasonability - which, while still low, [i]is[/i] swayed by proving that the vast majority of people are not in favor of this rule.

The key point in both of these issues is that if we don't speak up, [b][i]we lose[/i][/b]. This isn't a "b-but here's how Bernie can still win!!" situation. The judiciary is getting fed up with Trump's administration big-time. They have the final say here.

You saying that it's a lost cause is simply giving Pai the power to do what he wants to do without review. So make your voice heard because that's the only way it can be saved now.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=Mud;52914140]call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.[/QUOTE]

Winners never quit, quitters never win.

Quitter...

[Protocol7]

[QUOTE=Mud;52914140]call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.[/QUOTE]

They have you exactly where they want you - defeated [I]and[/I] unwilling.

Don't be like that.

[MrMeeph]

[QUOTE=Mud;52914140]call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but

you're a moron.

Power of the people. Laying there like a fucking doormat isn't going to solve anything.

[ThePanther]

I don't get it. I always thought corporations had the public/consumer interest at heart. I mean, that's gotta be why their so against government interference, right? They don't want pesky regulations to get in the way of providing the best possible product or service to their customers, right?

But between the EA lootbox situation and the FCC, I'm starting to think all they care about is inventing more ways to fork $$$ out of our wallets with no other choices to be had!

[Judas]

[QUOTE=Mud;52914140]call me a coward all you want but theres literally nothing anyone can do

we lost, this is pretty much the worst case. theres no way to prevent this.

[editline]22nd November 2017[/editline]

contacting your representatives is pointless, contacting and voting is pointless. There is pretty much nothing you or I can do because the fact of the matter is that we don't have anything to fight, we have lost the fight long ago.

If you genuinely think anyone in congress cares about what you have to say then you have no idea, you know why amazon, google and companies like that arent protesting this? because this benefits them to, they can pay for the fast lanes and snuff out competition easily. No matter how you look at it, whether it be currying support from so called "pro internet" companies or convincing congressmen who have their pockets lined with big telecom dollars, there is literally no way to win because there is literally no fight to win. We lost long ago. Its genuinely a waste of energy at this point.[/QUOTE]

What has to be wrong with you to be this much of a defeatist? What gave you this mindset? Why even get out of bed in the morning if you think like this? I genuinely dont understand how yoh can have this attitude and live with yourself. Try and hold yourself to a better standard and you'll live a better life.

[artdeco]

-snip-

[Anderan]

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52913916]A truly open and free Internet doesn't involve throttling connections.[/QUOTE]

I like how their reasoning is always about investment and never about the consumer.

[PersonalJesus69]

[QUOTE=ThePanther;52915042]I don't get it. I always thought corporations had the public/consumer interest at heart. I mean, that's gotta be why their so against government interference, right? They don't want pesky regulations to get in the way of providing the best possible product or service to their customers, right?

But between the EA lootbox situation and the FCC, I'm starting to think all they care about is inventing more ways to fork $$$ out of our wallets with no other choices to be had![/QUOTE]

god please tell me you're being sarcastic

[ThePanther]

[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;52915221]god please tell me you're being sarcastic[/QUOTE]

I totally am.

BTW can you guys please critique this email? I'm going to send it to the voting members of the FCC proceeding 17-108 "Restoring Internet Freedom".

[quote]Greetings,

As I understand it, you five are the entirety of the "FCC Roster" that will decide the future of how the internet is regulated in the US.

It is no secret that this is a major concern for individuals like myself who value the internet, as it is right now, a platform of equality for all. Just as it would be a major concern for Americans who value their human equality in our day to day lives.

As I see it, the internet is a service, but it is also an extension of the people.

Letting this important aspect of our lives be completely managed by the same corporations we rely on to deliver such a service is reprehensible. I understand that government interference can sometimes be a hindrance on innovation, but I sincerely believe this is not the case when it comes to how people get their information.

Internet Service Providers should exist for one purpose: to provide a connection to the world through the internet. Nothing more.

If corporations start controlling what people can view on the internet, then they will have a dangerous amount of power. All my life I have been told of the evils that come from information control and so I cannot sit back and watch this unfold without voicing my earnest disappointment and disgust.

While I doubt I can sway all of you, I'm glad I can at least say I tried.

This isn't about stopping government overreach, this is about allowing biased party's decide what we have access to and by extension what we know. It's wrong. It's un-American.

I plead that you keep the internet as free and as the people who use it. Retain Net Neutrality. Retain our freedom to choose and explore without Corporate interference.[/quote]

[dillspears]

I don't know anything about this sort of thing. Will ISPs possibly stop me from using a VPN or somehow throttle a VPN to where it's next to useless?